How do others do it?

Gerard Seibert gerard at
Wed Dec 6 11:46:31 GMT 2006

On Tuesday December 05, 2006 at 06:36:10 (PM) Drew Marshall wrote:

> On 5 Dec 2006, at 23:04, Alex Neuman van der Hans wrote:
> > He may be in fact being more of a hindrance than a help, since his  
> > University is now *more* likely to be blacklisted as a spammer.
> >
> > Gerard Seibert wrote:
> >> On Tuesday December 05, 2006 at 05:14:11 (PM) Rick Chadderdon wrote:
> >>> Denis Beauchemin wrote:
> >>>> The bounce message explains that we block spam because we want to
> >>>> preserve the good reputation of our University.
> >>> Unfortunately, since nearly all spam comes from forged addresses,  
> >>> your
> >>> bounce message is explaining it to the wrong people.  Assuming  
> >>> you mean
> >>> "bounce" the same way I do.  I get a ton of "bounce message" spam
> >>> because of forged messages, even though I use SPF.  Annoying.  I  
> >>> hope
> >>> I'm just misunderstanding you, because if not, you're a spammer,  
> >>> even if
> >>> you aren't aware of it.
> >> Worse, continuing this 'backscatter' might very well get his  
> >> University
> >> black-listed. SPAM and virus infected mail should be silently  
> >> discarded.
> I think you have misunderstood what Denis meant. It sounds to me like  
> he bounces what looks like Spam back to his students. I would guess  
> (Hope?) he is using smtpauth or some other check that prevents the  
> students from relaying with a faked from address, so he knows who  
> they are. By bouncing the mail back to them, it stops their mail  
> being silently dropped or otherwise undelivered (Or worse still  
> putting the University on a RBL). I don't believe that Denis is  
> suggesting he bounces Spam to any one other than the local users. You  
> don't do you Denis?? :-)

I think the OP should supply a more complete picture of both what he is
doing and what he hopes to accomplish.  The OP's original post does seem
to be somewhat vague on those points which is clearly evident by the
wide range of responses he has received.

BTW, thanks Drew for not 'Top Posting'. It makes a thread so difficult
to follow.


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