spam/notspam w/sa-learn

[Feasey, Nicholas]

That's interesting.

The Public folders is a good idea but we too are moving to Exchange 2000
shortly (just in time for Exchange 2003! :) ).

The easiest thing to do, in my mind, is have the user send a message to
spam@<my.domain.name> or notspam@<my.domain.name> which merely contains the
email address in question.  This is intercepted by a mail rewrite script to
massage the address into a mail header which then could be read by the
sa-learn script?

So, looks like I'm going to have to go into the sa-learn script and do some
poking around as my users would just love this feature.

Anything to stop these large amounts of messages with weewees, peepees and
mothers having intercourse with their sons but also allowing my users to
receive the Penthouse monthly e-zine as required.  :)

N

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Spicer [mailto:kevins at BMRB.CO.UK]
Sent: 5-May-03 3:26 PM
To: MAILSCANNER at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: spam/notspam w/sa-learn


A couple of us on the list have been experimenting with ways of using
the 'public folders' feature in Exchange to get round this problem with
Outlook.  I understand this works with Exchange 5.5.  But due to an
'improvement' Microsoft made in Exchange 2000 it doesn't work with that
(which I personally find damn annoying).
The basic way it works is by creating two public folders for spam and
ham then using a script on the MailScanner machine to grab the messages
using IMAP.

The most important thing when feeding messages to sa-learn is that the
message ID should not be changed (since sa-learn tracks which messages
it has learned using this).  Should the message ID change, which is
likely to happen when forwarding, SA may well learn the same message as
both ham and spam!

On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 19:33, Feasey, Nicholas wrote:
Hmm?  So then, by forwarding I would place my address in the
spam/notspam mailboxes and be identified as such.
Any ideas on how to "fool" the app so that it will work with Outlook or
am I going to have to try to write some sort of script - if, in fact,
that is possible.

N
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Julian Field [mailto:mailscanner at ECS.SOTON.AC.UK]
    Sent: 5-May-03 2:22 PM
    To: MAILSCANNER at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
    Subject: Re: spam/notspam w/sa-learn


    At 19:16 05/05/2003, you wrote:

        Forgive my ignorance/stupidity on this subject but what do you
        mean by redirect?
    Different mail apps call it different things, but it is usually
    bounce or redirect. It sends the message on with the headers intact,
    so that replies go back to the original sender and not the person
    who redirected it.

    Outlook and Outlook Express cannot do it.
    Why, I don't know, it's the simplest job in the book :-(


        Yes, the cron job is in place, just want to give my users
        CORRECT instructions on using the "auto-learn" feature.

        N


            -----Original Message-----

            From: Julian Field [mailto:mailscanner at ECS.SOTON.AC.UK]

            Sent: 5-May-03 2:07 PM

            To: MAILSCANNER at JISCMAIL.AC.UK

            Subject: Re: spam/notspam w/sa-learn


            At 18:40 05/05/2003, you wrote:

                I just want to be clear on the usage of the spam and not
                spam accounts used in conjunction with the sa-learn
                script.


                I can have my users forward any message received to
                either spam (to have it identified as spam) or notspam
                (to have it identified as ham) and it will

                be automatcially learned (sa-learn)??

            It is important that they "redirect" and not "forward" their
            mail to the addresses, as forwarding will destroy the
            headers and make it appear that your users are the spammers.



                Is this correct?

            You do, of course, need my cron job script to do the actual
            work, mailboxes aren't magic :-)


                I don't want my users showing up as spammers because
                they are listed as the forwarder.

            --

            Julian Field

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