I can provide you with ssh access to a non-production freeBSD server if it would help you to add support for kav. Let me know if this would help.. thx :-) Youn Gonzales System Administrator CLAS Net Inc. Comptia A+, Network+, INET+ Cisco CCNA "Never try to teach a pig how to sing. It only wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Jack Handy