[OT] new sendmail release, ever?

Ken A ka at pacific.net
Fri Aug 7 22:03:04 IST 2009

Glenn Steen wrote:
> 2009/8/7 Michael Mansour <micoots at yahoo.com>:
>> Hi,
>> --- On Fri, 7/8/09, Alex Broens <ms-list at alexb.ch> wrote:
>>> From: Alex Broens <ms-list at alexb.ch>
>>> Subject: Re: [OT] new sendmail release, ever?
>>> To: "MailScanner discussion" <mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info>
>>> Received: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 6:44 AM
>>> On 8/6/2009 10:34 PM, Glenn Steen
>>> wrote:
>>>> 2009/8/6 Alex Neuman van der Hans <alex at rtpty.com>:
>>>>> Meh. Back in my day, we used to have to wait a
>>> week for e-mail. A local BBS
>>>>> would batch things up and run on the weekend at
>>> 2AM when the price for long
>>>>> distance was lower. Uphill. Both ways. In the
>>> snow.
>>>> .... Anyone else but me remember the dreary state of
>>> the atlantic line
>>>> during the mid-80:s? IIRC it was a 19.2 kbps (smoking
>>> hot!:-) modem
>>>> connection... No email over the size of 50KiB was
>>> allowed...
>>> I ran a Fido gateway for many years...16 nodes... first
>>> modems I used for it were 14400 coz 9600 were getting too
>>> slow to push demos over the Atlantic.
>> I go even further back than that. I ran a 27 node (yes 27 phones lines) BBS system in Australia which would, among other things, run the Fido gateway also. I started the service with (too) many 2400bps modems and went up from there. Prior to that I was enjoying the testing of a 300bps boat anhor (yes it was that big) modem before waiting for the faster 1200bps ones which would autonegotiate line speed. Phew.
> :-) I remember that time too. My "point", if there was one, is that
> all the "backbones" in europe (mostly universities) shared that
> splendidly fast beast... Yes, there weren't that many e-mail (or news,
> for that matter) users, but when it's all down to HDB UUCP... Sigh.
> And then one got to relive it all in the late 80:s with things like
> fido and bog-slow BBS:s...
> I have a particularly fond memory of ordering "the complete cookbook"
> from alt.gourmand, and receiving about 500 (might've been less, it's
> been a while:-) 50KiB emails... And then printing it all on a rugged
> line printer... just to realise I hadn't ordered them with metric
> measurements (Cups? Oz? WTF!) and had to redo it all.
> Things weren't better in the past. That'sw why we like reminiscing about it:-).
>> NPGX BBS (maybe a google of it will still show something) was the system. I was also the official Australian Apogee games hub (remember Duke Nukem? Commander Keen ;), among others) where I'd pull down releases from Asia (arrghh the phone bills) and have BBS's from Australia and New Zealand pick the releases up from me. Started with "Remote Access" BBS and ended with "Worldgroup BBS".
>> Those were the days :) interestingly, I still run NPGX, 15 years old this year as it evolved from a BBS to ISP to Web and email hosting provider, which is what it does today.
> Yeah. I remember all that too, since some of my earlier employers
> lacked the correct poison, er, Internet access... So cheapish BBS
> access was the tune during the late -80:s/early -90:s ... at least
> here in Sweden:).

Here too. I helped maintain a "First Class" BBS out of our city library 
basement in the early 90s. It used FCP (first class protocol) itself, 
but had a uucp gateway out through the ISP I now work for. The ISP had a 
128k frame ~1993, and I think there were 4 northern CA ISPs running on 
that same frame at one point. :-) The modems sure looked nice at night 
though.. pretty lights.
There was also a BBS running on two commodore 64 floppies running out of 
Mendocino, CA (a few miles from here) called "the wormhole". It ran for 
many years on those same 2 floppy drives, and was famous in it's day. It 
was similar, but not related to "the well", out of the bay area.


>> Anyone remember what a Network shim was? ;)
> :)
>> Regards,
>> Michael.
> Cheers

Ken Anderson
Pacific Internet - http://www.pacific.net

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