Your recommendation please: big volume mail solution

Scott Silva ssilva at
Wed Nov 7 00:43:12 GMT 2007

on 11/6/2007 4:21 PM Scott Silva spake the following:
> on 11/6/2007 3:42 PM Arthur Sherman spake the following:
>> I posted this question in several lists and, amazingly, I got badly 
>> flamed.
>> :)
>> Many demanded the IP or domain to block, even threatened me to block 
>> my own
>> mail servers, which never sent a spam.
>> Not all though, actually some of gurus were quite understanding...
>> Let me clear some points here:
>> The services my company provides are legit spam-proof etc hosting 
>> services.
>> The client turned to us for because of quality he believes we have in
>> building mailers, i.e. technical expertise netto.
>> Legally, he has the right to do such mailing in Israel.
>> His mailing will be in Israel only, and has working Unsubscribe option 
>> - we
>> are scrupulous about this part.
>> His DB was legally bought from legit provider, not us also. I checked 
>> the DB
>> is legit here.
>> His servers will be neither in our data center, nor in our IP range, 
>> as he
>> builds his own data center, which will host his servers.
>> Discussing this in open forum was made in effort to openly discuss the
>> business need, and find a solution to make him as least spammer as 
>> possible,
>> while still allowing him the functonality he seeks.
>> Don't you deny the business need for big email volumes?
>> He will become a legit "marketing"-mailing service provider in Israel.
>> We better start thinking in this direction also, the sooner the better 
>> - the
>> market demands...
>> Thank you
>> Arthur
> I'm sorry, but even though I believe in Opt-in mailing, I do not believe 
> in Opt-out mailings, no matter how "legitimate" someone thinks it might be.
> Opt-in means I asked you to send me something. Opt-out means you sent 
> something I did not ask for, and even if you have a working unsubscribe, 
> I still didn't ask for it. If I moved into your house without your 
> permission, but offered to leave if you asked me to, would you be 
> alright with it?
> If it is from a purchased list, it will be an unsolicited message.
> 1 million a day will be bulk e-mail.
> So unsolicited + bulk e-mail = UCE = spam !
> You can't argue with the math.

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