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Don Newcomer
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Thu May 13 16:53:36 IST 2004
I'm running MailScanner 4.30.3 and I've just had my first problem with the
"Maximum Attachments Per Message" setting. My MailScanner.conf file has
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the attached message) and, while I can see 54 discrete MIME boundaries,
it's still nowhere near the maximum of 100. Here are the MailScanner
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There are 53 messages totalling 2740 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. No. on my vandy
2. Off Topic - Flatbed Offset Litho Press for Sale
3. Ludlow questions/frustrations (4)
4. C & P New Style Parts (2)
5. Rosback perforator available (2)
6. NON LETPRESS (E-MAIL) (4)
7. how long do rubber rollers last? (3)
8. Craftsman Tabletop Ink Disk - thanks!
9. National Stationery Show (2)
10. Ludlow problems!!!!!
11. Weight of a Pilot Press?
12. Favorites in my library (2)
13. Student Book Exhibit deadline
14. Overweight shipping (8)
15. Available Presses
16. On the topic of the Ludlow
17. Monotype vs. foundry type (5)
18. I have a photo... (4)
19. hammond missing part (2)
20. Off Topic New York City
21. Something is wrong here. (2)
22. AW: NON LETPRESS (E-MAIL)
23. Off-topic New York
24. A Virtual Auction with 100% of the funds going to UNICEF
25. On the topic of the Ludlow
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Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:34:43 -0700
From: ERIC WOODS <woods4eric at YAHOO.COM>
Subject: No. on my vandy
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I was looking over my Vandercook #4 today to try and
find the correct cylinder packing height. I was
looking for the standard .040 but found something else
instead. I found a #1 stamped onto the tail end the
operators side of the cylinder and a #2 stamped on the
other end.
Can anyone tell me what this means?
Serial #10358
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Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:49:59 EDT
From: Leonard Seastone <LSeastone at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Flatbed Offset Litho Press for Sale
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John,
I have done some printing on a Mailander. It is a very fine press for anyone
wanting to do hand pulled Offset-Litho prints. (The one a printed on is larger
than the one mentioned.)
If no one on the list is interested, John, contact Dewight Pogue ay Smith
College he is a great affectionado of the flatbed ofset.
Best,
Leonard Seastone
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 00:54:11 EDT
From: Ira Newlander <IraLeeNewlander at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ludlow questions/frustrations
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Thanks. That helps my understanding a lot, if I'm following.
I have previously gotten mixed advice on switching from the 12 pt 21 pica
mold either to a 6 pt, or getting away from 21 and going to 22.5. Of course
that would still leave the question of 6 pt or 12 pt. and in the interest of
simplicity I have opted to stay put and deal with the short slug, assuming that I
could always go with a multi-slug arrangement if need be.
Now I see the folly of that. I'm trying to do a newsletter. The
difference between 21 and 22.5 may not seem like much, but we're trying to avoid
hyphenating at line ends, so there may be significant blanks spaces. 22.5 gives a
little more flexibility overall. Also, virtually all m sticks are 22.5.
I have been living in a world of compensating behavior, making do (due?),
and it's gotten to be too much of a problem.
======>> So speak now, List, or forever hold your pieces:
Without changing the mouthpiece, will I be in a terrible situation if I
swap the 12 pt 21 em mold for a 12 pt 22.5 em mold?
Whatever advice is to be given, please hurry, because I am on the verge of a
rash decision.
Thanks again.
Ira.
> Subj: Re: Ludlow questions/frustrations Date: 5/11/2004 7:45:26 PM
> From: phild at LNI.NET
>
> It's not the division quads that determine where one
> slug ends and another begins. It's the indentations
> on the edge of the stick. It sounds as though you have
> a stick where the indentations are cut for 22-1/2 picas.
> You need a stick made for 21-picas. Perhaps you could
> try putting an extra 1-1/2 picas of space (non-notched)
> after the division quad.
>
> --Ph. D.
>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ira Newlander
>> To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:11 PM
>> Subject: Ludlow questions/frustrations
>>
>>
>> Hi, List.
>> This may be more of the same related issues, but here goes.
>>
>> I have a 21 em mold. I'm content to live with it.
>> I have several sticks long enough to cast multiple slugs, and I have
>> division quads.
>>
>> I compose a stick's worth or so, get the spacing just right, and then
>> insert a div. quad in the zone that's notched. The first slug consists of what
>> it would if it were just a single slug project; no problem.
>>
>> The second slug does not start where the other left off. I suspect it's
>> something to do with the short mold and the stick not lining up or something,
>> but it's really frustrating.
>>
>> Also, what kind of stick do I need to use so that I don't have to stick any
>> spacing in and have the letters start flush with the end of the slug? I'm
>> getting tired of jumping through crazy hoops to make this right, and the
>> multi-slug thing would really make things better. I scanned the archives and
>> didn't find too much. Is there a file, pdf, whatever, on sticks, their use
>> and care?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ira.
>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Thanks. That helps my underst=
anding a lot, if I'm following.<BR>
I have previously gotten mixed advice on switching from the 12 pt 21=20=
pica mold either to a 6 pt, or getting away from 21 and going to 22.5. =
Of course that would still leave the question of 6 pt or 12 pt. and in the=20=
interest of simplicity I have opted to stay put and deal with the short slug=
, assuming that I could always go with a multi-slug arrangement if need be.<=
BR>
Now I see the folly of that. I'm trying to do a newsletter.&nbs=
p; The difference between 21 and 22.5 may not seem like much, but we're tryi=
ng to avoid hyphenating at line ends, so there may be significant blanks spa=
ces. 22.5 gives a little more flexibility overall. Also, virtual=
ly all m sticks are 22.5.<BR>
I have been living in a world of compensating behavior, making do (du=
e?), and it's gotten to be too much of a problem.<BR>
<BR>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>> So speak now, List, or forever hold your pieces:<=
BR>
Without changing the mouthpiece, will I be in a terrible situation if=
I swap the 12 pt 21 em mold for a 12 pt 22.5 em mold?<BR>
Whatever advice is to be given, please hurry, because I am on the verge of a=
rash decision.<BR>
Thanks again.<BR>
Ira.<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Subj: <B>Re: Ludlow questions/f=
rustrations </B> Date: 5/11/2004 7:45:26 PM<BR>
From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:phild at LNI.NET">phild at LNI.NET</A><BR>
<BR>
It's not the division quads that determine where one <BR>
slug ends and another begins. It's the indentations <BR>
on the edge of the stick. It sounds as though you have <BR>
a stick where the indentations are cut for 22-1/2 picas.<BR>
You need a stick made for 21-picas. Perhaps you could<BR>
try putting an extra 1-1/2 picas of space (non-notched) <BR>
after the division quad.<BR>
<BR>
--Ph. D. <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">----- Original Message ----- <B=
R>
<B>From:</B> <A HREF=3D"mailto:IraLeeNewlander at AOL.COM">Ira Newlander</A> <B=
R>
<B>To:</B> <A HREF=3D"mailto:LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA">LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB=
.CA</A> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:11 PM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Ludlow questions/frustrations<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Hi, List.<BR>
This may be more of the same related issues, but here goes.<BR>
<BR>
I have a 21 em mold. I'm content to live with it.<BR>
I have several sticks long enough to cast multiple slugs, and I have divisio=
n quads.<BR>
<BR>
I compose a stick's worth or so, get the spacing just right, and then insert=
a div. quad in the zone that's notched. The first slug consists of wh=
at it would if it were just a single slug project; no problem.<BR>
<BR>
The second slug does not start where the other left off. I suspect it'=
s something to do with the short mold and the stick not lining up or somethi=
ng, but it's really frustrating.<BR>
<BR>
Also, what kind of stick do I need to use so that I don't have to stick any=20=
spacing in and have the letters start flush with the end of the slug? =20=
I'm getting tired of jumping through crazy hoops to make this right, and the=
multi-slug thing would really make things better. I scanned the archi=
ves and didn't find too much. Is there a file, pdf, whatever, on stick=
s, their use and care?<BR>
<BR>
Thanks.<BR>
<BR>
Ira. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 01:35:50 EDT
From: Greg Fischer <LINOFISH at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: C & P New Style Parts
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LPF:
Maximum weight for UPS is 150lbs. Just TRY and find that info on their site
without having to download a ton of stuff. Finally I just asked "Google"
directly. Which also begs the question, what if the delivery person weighs less
than the 150 lb package? :-)
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 01:48:59 -0400
From: Jack Sinclair <jackwas at BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: Rosback perforator available
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Hello Bruce McDonald
Jack Sinclair here. A voice from the past.
I just got an e-mail from Don Sanford who contacted me wanting to know if there was anything I wanted as he had a truck coming to Atlanta and it would be an opportunity to share delivery costs with a customer of his. I asked Don who might be buying letterpress equipment in Atlanta as I thought I knew the few folks that had an interest in letterpress. Don told me and while it didn't register at first when I saw your posting today and the Craftsman Printing address it all fell together. I think the last time I talked to you you had just acquired a handpress that you were putting in the lobby of your business.
You also had an interest in photopolymer. Well it appears your interests have broadened. Don didn't go into it but I got the impression that you had acquired a complete shop. And you exhibited an interest in the Rosback. I had inquired about it myself but (and I can't remember his name) the seller wouldn't ship. He wanted a pick-up transaction I believe in Ohio. That was a unique asking price for that perforator. It almost made it worthwhile to drive up and pick it up. Anyway I saw your posting and I thought I would say hello. And I am a bit curious as to what you are doing with the letterpress, and did you ever get setup with the photopolymer? Hope all is well.......
-jack-
>
> From: Bruce McDonald <oldmac at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> Date: 2004/05/11 Tue PM 02:29:14 EDT
> To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
> Subject: Re: Rosback perforator available
>
> You've probably sold it but if not is there anyway it could be bundled with the type I want to buy...if you still have it...and sent by truck line?
> bjmcdonald at craftsmenprinting.com
> >
> > From: "Ph. D." <phild at AIX.CC>
> > Date: 2004/05/02 Sun AM 12:20:35 EDT
> > To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
> > Subject: Rosback perforator available
> >
> > I have a Rosback pin-hole perforator for sale. It punches
> > a line about 18 inches long. It has a foot pedal. It probably
> > weighs about 350 lbs. It is about twenty miles south of
> > Columbus, Ohio. Contact me if you're interested.
> >
> > $65
> >
> >
> > --Phillip Driscoll
> > phild at aix.cc
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:03:01 EDT
From: Greg Fischer <LINOFISH at AOL.COM>
Subject: NON LETPRESS (E-MAIL)
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LPF:
Is there any way to eliminate the print out of the headers? I usually listen
to the printer change pace and hit the cancel button. Gotta be the biggest
waster of ink and paper since my memoirs! :-)
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:10:25 -0400
From: Jack Sinclair <jackwas at BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: Rosback perforator available
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Apologies to the list. This was meant to be off-site.
-jack-
>
> From: Jack Sinclair <jackwas at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> Date: 2004/05/12 Wed AM 01:48:59 EDT
> To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
> Subject: Re: Rosback perforator available
>
> Hello Bruce McDonald
>
> Jack Sinclair here.
Blah Blah Blah.........
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:23:14 -0400
From: "9SpotMonk Design Co." <vivian at 9SPOTMONK.COM>
Subject: how long do rubber rollers last?
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I've had two of my rubber rollers for about 2 1/2 years and another
one for about two years. They seem to be in fine working condition,
winter, spring, summer, and fall. With good care, how long do these
guys last?
I've been using Turpenoid, a synthetic, non-smelling form of
turpentine to clean my press and rollers and that seems fine too. Is
there a better suggestion for cleaning press and rollers? I tried
using Crisco - it was too much elbow grease for me and my Weimaraner
(sp?), Monte, ate both cans, so I kinda gave up on that.
Vivian
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9SpotMonk Design Co.
Exquisitely Modern Design and Letterpress(SM)
vivian at 9spotmonk.com
ring +1 201 795 1668 | fax +1 201 221 8867
<http://www.9spotmonk.com>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:18:54 -0400
From: "9SpotMonk Design Co." <vivian at 9SPOTMONK.COM>
Subject: Re: Craftsman Tabletop Ink Disk - thanks!
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Thanks to all who responded. I think what I learned from the on and
off list posting is basically to suck it up and wash the ink disk and
rollers and re-ink with the second colour.
It will end up costing less - more rags and solvent but saving on the
cost of shipping one of those ink disks.
thanks again letpress u!
Vivian
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9SpotMonk Design Co.
Exquisitely Modern Design and Letterpress(SM)
vivian at 9spotmonk.com
ring +1 201 795 1668 | fax +1 201 221 8867
<http://www.9spotmonk.com>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:25:43 -0400
From: "9SpotMonk Design Co." <vivian at 9SPOTMONK.COM>
Subject: National Stationery Show
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If anyone's going to be at the National Stationery Show at Javits
from 5/16 to 5/19, please drop by our booth - Take Note Section,
booth 7524. I'd love to meet the printers on this list, put a face to
an email address...
Vivian
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9SpotMonk Design Co.
Exquisitely Modern Design and Letterpress(SM)
vivian at 9spotmonk.com
ring +1 201 795 1668 | fax +1 201 221 8867
<http://www.9spotmonk.com>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 04:47:35 -0300
From: Gerald Lange <Bieler at WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: how long do rubber rollers last?
Other than obvious surface degradation, rubbers rollers increase in hardness
over time. A measure of their hardness should be taken periodically. The
ideal hardness rating depends upon the kind of work you are doing. Swelling
is also an indicator of failure. If your measure on the ends of the rollers
is significantly different than it is about midpoint, you've got a problem.
Age is somewhat less significant than environmental conditions and proper care.
Doesn't exactly tell you much I know, but if you are looking for the easy
number, there isn't one.
Gerald
On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:23:14 -0400, 9SpotMonk Design Co.
<vivian at 9SPOTMONK.COM> wrote:
>I've had two of my rubber rollers for about 2 1/2 years and another
>one for about two years. They seem to be in fine working condition,
>winter, spring, summer, and fall. With good care, how long do these
>guys last?
>
>I've been using Turpenoid, a synthetic, non-smelling form of
>turpentine to clean my press and rollers and that seems fine too. Is
>there a better suggestion for cleaning press and rollers? I tried
>using Crisco - it was too much elbow grease for me and my Weimaraner
>(sp?), Monte, ate both cans, so I kinda gave up on that.
>
>Vivian
>--
>
>
>-----
>Vivian Leung
>9SpotMonk Design Co.
>Exquisitely Modern Design and Letterpress(SM)
>
>vivian at 9spotmonk.com
>ring +1 201 795 1668 | fax +1 201 221 8867
>
><http://www.9spotmonk.com>
>-----
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 03:09:36 -0500
From: Mark Phillips <marphill at MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: C & P New Style Parts
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RPS (Roadway Package Service) ships items that exceed UPS Weights
Greg Fischer wrote:
> LPF:
> Maximum weight for UPS is 150lbs. Just TRY and find that info on their site
> without having to download a ton of stuff. Finally I just asked "Google"
> directly. Which also begs the question, what if the delivery person weighs less
> than the 150 lb package? :-)
>
> <"}}}}><
>
--
Regards,
Mark Phillips
egallery http://www.graphicmarx.com
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:22:44 +1000
From: Arthur Johnson <arthjohn at HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Ludlow problems!!!!!
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Ira you must use the 21m stick or multiples of 21, eg 42, 63. Used one of
these 21m machines for about 5 years and had no problems using multiple
sticks. If your sticks are 22 1/2 or 24 it may pay to convert the machine to
take these.
Have moved a lot of gear at the museum today and the print shop is starting
to look good, all of the high cabinets (Ludlow) are to one side and the
lower stuff, stone, galley racks etc are in the middle of the shop so
visitors have a good view of all the shop.
Arthur in Australia.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:28:40 -0300
From: Jeffrey Loop <jeffrey.loop at VERIZON.NET>
Subject: Re: Weight of a Pilot Press?
FedEx Freight will take the shipment:
www.fedexfreight.fedex.com
Jeff.
On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:36:37 -0600, Leonard W Molberg <mail-to-
mo at JUNO.COM> wrote:
>I doubt that UPS will take this shipment - it most likely will have to go
>truck freight due to weight restrictions. As I remember, UPS is
>restricted to 70 lbs max. I may be wrong, bukt the young lady (I almost
>said gal, which would have probably gotten me into trouble with the pc
>crowd!) who delivers here would definitely have trouble with a 210 pound
>box!
>
>The absolute best way to pack such an item is, of course, on a wooden
>skid and boxed with plywood, the skid securely bolted together, the press
>bolted to it, and the box can be assembles with deck screws or drywall
>screws. It may be "overkill" but it commands respect from the shippers!
>
>Mo
>
>On Tue, 11 May 2004 12:23:01 EDT Jason Davis <Jpdavis28 at AOL.COM> writes:
>The first page of the C&P Pilot Press manual lists "the total weight of
>the press, boxed ready for shipment" as 210 pounds.
>Hello,
>
>Anyone know the weight of a chandler and Price 6 x 9 Pilot Press?
>I'd like to ship UPS: any tips?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Eileen
>--
>
>
>Eileen Grace O Malley Callahan
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:48:03 -0400
From: Harold Sterne <halsterne at MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: how long do rubber rollers last?
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I always use a commercial roller wash with rubber rejuvenators in the con=
tents. It is a little more expensive but my last rollers lasted over 15 =
years. They were still in pretty good shape but scored from printing rul=
es.
Hal Sterne
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Subject: how long do rubber rollers last?
I've had two of my rubber rollers for about 2 1/2 years and another
one for about two years. They seem to be in fine working condition,
winter, spring, summer, and fall. With good care, how long do these
guys last?
I've been using Turpenoid, a synthetic, non-smelling form of
turpentine to clean my press and rollers and that seems fine too. Is
there a better suggestion for cleaning press and rollers? I tried
using Crisco - it was too much elbow grease for me and my Weimaraner
(sp?), Monte, ate both cans, so I kinda gave up on that.
Vivian
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:57:36 -0300
From: Jeffrey Loop <jeffrey.loop at VERIZON.NET>
Subject: Re: Favorites in my library
Picking favorites out of my collection is a hard thing to do, but there
are a few books that I seem to always turn to that are a true joy to hold
and to read. I guess topping the list would be two very different books:
the Doves Press Amantium Irae (1914) and the Nonesuch Press edition of Don
Quixote (1930). The Doves book is, to modern eyes, antiquarian in
presentation, but I think the execution is flawless--the limp binding by
the Doves Bindery supple and creamy, and the paper used has an almost
silken texture. And yes, it is an interesting read, being a collection of
letters T.J. Cobden-Sanderson wrote to Lord and Lady Amberly, the parents
of Bertrand Russell.
The two volume Nonesuch Don Quixote is altogether different. Bound in
natural Niger, it somehow straddles both modern and the classical
schools. It is classical in typographical layout, but the wonderfully
modern illustrations by E. McKnight Kaufer elevate it to a class of its
own. It is also probably the most satsifying book to hold and read in my
collection: the format, typography, illustration, paper and binding
somehow conspire to make it feel like it was custom-fitted to one's hand.
As runner-up, I'd have to pick another Nonesuch book, Select Poems Divine
and Humane of Thomas Beedhome. Bound in limp vellum with leather thongs (I
admit I have a weakness), it is a little gem of a book that illustrates a
perfect and appropriate use of "allusive" typography. You may have seen
the title page as it is one of the most oft-reproduced in the Nonesuch
oeuvre.
Anyway, there's my two bits. It is rare that I get to talk about my press
books, so thanks for asking Arthur. I hope others share their thoughts as
well.
Jeff.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:16:42 -0400
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On Wed, 12 May 2004, Greg Fischer wrote:
> LPF:
> Is there any way to eliminate the print out of the headers? I usually listen
> to the printer change pace and hit the cancel button. Gotta be the biggest
> waster of ink and paper since my memoirs! :-)
Depends a lot on your mail client, and as I have no idea what you use and
also no idea how to work with Outlook Express if that is what you use, I
cannot help with details.
But something that will always work if you are willing to do a bit of work
is to select the text that you want, copy to the ClipBoard with C-c and
then drop the text into NotePad or such with C-v. Then print from
NotePad.
Harvey
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:33:43 EDT
From: Julie Russell-Steuart <CaveArtist at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Favorites in my library
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Jeff,
What is meant by "allusive typography"?
Julie
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:10:41 -0500
From: Denise E Brady <dbrady at MAIL.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject: Student Book Exhibit deadline
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For those of you affiliated with an academic institution,
this is a reminder that the deadline for submissions for
the Heart & Hands National Juried Student Book Art
Show that will be mounted at the 2004 Mid America
Print Council Conference in Lincoln, Nebraska in October is
June 1, 2004
Books of all kinds made by students are welcome.
Artist and award-winning book designer for the Univeristy
of Nebraska press, Dika Eckersley will jury the show.
Purchase prizes will be awarded. There will be 300-500
attending this conference and we've already had
an inquiry about making this a traveling show.
Submission guidlines are available at two sites (or I'll
send them if you inquire off-list):
http://www.unomaha.edu/~nbac/home.html
http://www.unl.edu/MAPC2004/
Please contact me off-list if you have questions.
Denise Brady
dbrady at unomaha.edu
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:35:07 -0600
From: George Chapman <gachap at FRONTIER.NET>
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I believe that RPS was absorbed by FedEx and is now FedEx ground. I may be
wrong but anyway FedEx Ground is a good alternaticve to UPS for heavy stuff.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Phillips" <marphill at MINDSPRING.COM>
To: <LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: C & P New Style Parts
> RPS (Roadway Package Service) ships items that exceed UPS Weights
>
> Greg Fischer wrote:
> > LPF:
> > Maximum weight for UPS is 150lbs. Just TRY and find that info on their
site
> > without having to download a ton of stuff. Finally I just asked
"Google"
> > directly. Which also begs the question, what if the delivery person
weighs less
> > than the 150 lb package? :-)
> >
> > <"}}}}><
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mark Phillips
> egallery http://www.graphicmarx.com
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:42:54 -0400
From: "Arthur E. Joly Jr." <jolya at N1RPN.MV.COM>
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Greg,
Why don't you cut and paste what you want in a new word document. Then you can adjust the type size to something that you can see.
Art
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Fischer [SMTP:LINOFISH at AOL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:03 AM
To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
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LPF:
Is there any way to eliminate the print out of the headers? I usually listen
to the printer change pace and hit the cancel button. Gotta be the biggest
waster of ink and paper since my memoirs! :-)
<"}}}}><
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:40:53 -0400
From: "Arthur E. Joly Jr." <jolya at N1RPN.MV.COM>
Subject: Re: Ludlow questions/frustrations
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Ira,
I tried to do a newsletter on a Ludlow. I bought a Linotype.
If someone else doesn't offer more expert advice, send me the length =
of you ejector blade and the length of the slot in your mouth piece and =
I'll compare them with my 22 1/2 Ludlow. I have a 6 point 22 1/2 pica =
mold and the only time I have a problem is when I cast 72 point. If =
everything is clean I can do it.
I've never tried to figure out what is going on with the division =
quads, and the resulting line. It works and I'm happy. I already know =
how too much stuff works and I'm glad to leave a little mystery in my =
world.
Art
-----Original Message-----
From: Ira Newlander [SMTP:IraLeeNewlander at AOL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:54 AM
To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
Subject: Re: Ludlow questions/frustrations
Thanks. That helps my understanding a lot, if I'm following.
I have previously gotten mixed advice on switching from the 12 pt 21 =
pica
mold either to a 6 pt, or getting away from 21 and going to 22.5. Of =
course
that would still leave the question of 6 pt or 12 pt. and in the =
interest of
simplicity I have opted to stay put and deal with the short slug, =
assuming that I
could always go with a multi-slug arrangement if need be.
Now I see the folly of that. I'm trying to do a newsletter. The
difference between 21 and 22.5 may not seem like much, but we're trying =
to avoid
hyphenating at line ends, so there may be significant blanks spaces. =
22.5 gives a
little more flexibility overall. Also, virtually all m sticks are 22.5.
I have been living in a world of compensating behavior, making do =
(due?),
and it's gotten to be too much of a problem.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>> So speak now, List, or forever hold your pieces:
Without changing the mouthpiece, will I be in a terrible situation if =
I
swap the 12 pt 21 em mold for a 12 pt 22.5 em mold?
Whatever advice is to be given, please hurry, because I am on the verge =
of a
rash decision.
Thanks again.
Ira.
> Subj: Re: Ludlow questions/frustrations Date: 5/11/2004 7:45:26 PM
> From: phild at LNI.NET
>
> It's not the division quads that determine where one
> slug ends and another begins. It's the indentations
> on the edge of the stick. It sounds as though you have
> a stick where the indentations are cut for 22-1/2 picas.
> You need a stick made for 21-picas. Perhaps you could
> try putting an extra 1-1/2 picas of space (non-notched)
> after the division quad.
>
> --Ph. D.
>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ira Newlander
>> To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:11 PM
>> Subject: Ludlow questions/frustrations
>>
>>
>> Hi, List.
>> This may be more of the same related issues, but here goes.
>>
>> I have a 21 em mold. I'm content to live with it.
>> I have several sticks long enough to cast multiple slugs, and I have
>> division quads.
>>
>> I compose a stick's worth or so, get the spacing just right, and then
>> insert a div. quad in the zone that's notched. The first slug =
consists of what
>> it would if it were just a single slug project; no problem.
>>
>> The second slug does not start where the other left off. I suspect =
it's
>> something to do with the short mold and the stick not lining up or =
something,
>> but it's really frustrating.
>>
>> Also, what kind of stick do I need to use so that I don't have to =
stick any
>> spacing in and have the letters start flush with the end of the slug? =
I'm
>> getting tired of jumping through crazy hoops to make this right, and =
the
>> multi-slug thing would really make things better. I scanned the =
archives and
>> didn't find too much. Is there a file, pdf, whatever, on sticks, =
their use
>> and care?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ira.
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:22:46 -0700
From: Debra Vilinsky & Michael Sopher <msopher at UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Available Presses
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Please tell me more about the Schneiderwind Hand Press and where you are
located.
Thank you.
Debra Vilinsky
Los Angeles, CA
At 01:54 PM 4/28/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I have a number of presses for sale at this time:
>4 10X15 C&P Craftsman w/Rice Feeders
>2 12X18 C&P Craftsman w/Rice Feeders
>1 15X201/4 Heildeberg Cylinder Die Cutter
>1 10X15 Heidelberg Windmill
>1 Miehle 29
>1 Miller 41
>1 R Hoe Iron Hand Press
>1 Schneiderwind Hand Press
>1 12X18 C&P motorized
>1 Golding Press-No flywheel-parts press
>1 Kelly B complete w/Delivery
>Other items:
>1 Intertype F4 Mixer, 1 Intertype C4, 1 Intertype V, 2 Intertype Monarchs,
>1 Linotype Model 31 w/hydraquadder.
>If any interest contact me off list.
>Thanks
>Greg Timko
>GTGraphic Service & Supply
>631 821-1905
>
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Please tell me more about the Schneiderwind Hand Press and where you are
located.<br>
Thank you.<br>
Debra Vilinsky<br>
Los Angeles, CA<br>
At 01:54 PM 4/28/2004 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>I have a
number of presses for sale at this time:</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>4 10X15 C&P Craftsman w/Rice
Feeders</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>2 12X18 C&P Craftsman w/Rice
Feeders</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 15X201/4 Heildeberg Cylinder Die
Cutter</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 10X15 Heidelberg Windmill</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 Miehle 29</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 Miller 41</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 R Hoe Iron Hand Press</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 Schneiderwind Hand Press</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 12X18 C&P motorized</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 Golding Press-No flywheel-parts
press</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 Kelly B complete w/Delivery</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Other items:</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>1 Intertype F4 Mixer, 1 Intertype C4, 1
Intertype V, 2 Intertype Monarchs, 1 Linotype Model 31
w/hydraquadder.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>If any interest contact me off
list.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Thanks</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Greg Timko</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>GTGraphic Service & Supply</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>631 821-1905</font><br>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:40:32 -0500
From: "Michael T. Metz" <mtmetz at SWBELL.NET>
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I also learned yesterday that FedEx bought Kinko's.
They have made overtures to me to buy out my letterpress
shop, but I'm holding out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Letterpress Discussion List [mailto:LETPRESS at unb.ca]On Behalf Of
George Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:35 AM
To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
Subject: Re: Overweight shipping
I believe that RPS was absorbed by FedEx and is now FedEx ground. I may be
wrong but anyway FedEx Ground is a good alternaticve to UPS for heavy stuff.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Phillips" <marphill at MINDSPRING.COM>
To: <LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: C & P New Style Parts
> RPS (Roadway Package Service) ships items that exceed UPS Weights
>
> Greg Fischer wrote:
> > LPF:
> > Maximum weight for UPS is 150lbs. Just TRY and find that info on their
site
> > without having to download a ton of stuff. Finally I just asked
"Google"
> > directly. Which also begs the question, what if the delivery person
weighs less
> > than the 150 lb package? :-)
> >
> > <"}}}}><
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mark Phillips
> egallery http://www.graphicmarx.com
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:14:07 -0600
From: Ambrosi Printers <ambrosi.printers at SASKTEL.NET>
Subject: On the topic of the Ludlow
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My Dear Friends
There have been a number of anguished questions lately about the Ludlow and some of the difficulties in casting both large single slugs and the casting of multiple slugs.
Let us see if I can offer any insight to some of these questions/problems/difficulties.
First off you can cast a good solid slug using 72 point mats, if and that is a big if................. your machine must be perfect. You have to have everything going for you to do that. The pot must be clean. The metal must be exactly the right temperature. The pump pressure must be on high. Everything must be spot on or you will get a poor cast. An un-usable cast.
But it can be done. I have done this. Lots of times.
But.................. it is far easier to just use a 12 point mold. You get a good cast every time. Lots of time I use a 12 point mold to get an extra good cast when I am casting 36 point Formal Script. The ascenders and decenders are so extreme, that I often have difficulty cast this size on an 6 point mold.
So if you are casting big type, use a big mold. The concept is so simple.
Next, as Ph.D. so aptly put it; when using a 21 em mold you must use 21 em graduated sticks. If you don't have any, give me a call off list as I have lots of them left over from the old days.
And if you are using a 22 1/2 em mold, you must use a 22 1/2 em graduated stick. The system was designed by Ludlow to work this way and that is what you are supposed to do.
This multiple slug casting system for wide or very wide lines works really well. I have been casting for many years now and I can attest to that. There is no big mystery. Just do what Ludlow says and put the stick in the machine and cast the slugs.
There is some leeway in positioning the division quads or line breakers as I like to call them. Sometimes it will work better to have the line breaker on one side of a letter and sometimes on the other side. Experiment a little and see what results you get. Try not to have too much of an over hang as letters can break off, either in the casting or in the use of the slug.
Sometimes the break off of letters can be avoided or stopped by the use of high spacing. I do that lots of times.
In short the Ludlow is a good machine that is relatively easy to use. It does require regular maintenance and cleaning however and this should not be any kind of a serious deterrence to the use of this machine.
Kindest regards to all. Except those bird brained Linotype Operators. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for passing yourselves off as type setters.
Ludlow rules. Ludlow is supreme. Long live Ludlow
Signed in all modesty and humility and retiring shyness.
The ever non-confrontational
Kanterous Kermudgeon Kanada Ink.
Phil Ambrosi of Regina
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<DIV><FONT size=2> </FONT><FONT size=3><STRONG>My Dear
Friends</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>There have been a number of anguished questions lately about the
Ludlow and some of the difficulties in casting both large single slugs and the
casting of multiple slugs.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Let us see if I can offer any insight to some of these
questions/problems/difficulties.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>First off you can cast a good solid slug using 72 point mats, if
and that is a big if................. your machine must be perfect. You
have to have everything going for you to do that. The pot must be
clean. The metal must be exactly the right temperature. The pump pressure
must be on high. Everything must be spot on or you will get a poor cast. An
un-usable cast. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>But it can be done. I have done this. Lots of
times.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>But.................. it is far easier to just use a 12 point mold.
You get a good cast every time. Lots of time I use a 12 point mold to get
an extra good cast when I am casting 36 point Formal Script. The ascenders
and decenders are so extreme, that I often have difficulty cast this size on an
6 point mold. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>So if you are casting big type, use a big mold. The concept is so
simple.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Next, as Ph.D. so aptly put it; when using a 21 em mold you must
use 21 em graduated sticks. If you don't have any, give me a call off list
as I have lots of them left over from the old days.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>And if you are using a 22 1/2 em mold, you must use a 22 1/2
em graduated stick. The system was designed by Ludlow to work this way and
that is what you are supposed to do. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>This multiple slug casting system for wide or very wide lines works
really well. I have been casting for many years now and I can attest to
that. There is no big mystery. Just do what Ludlow says and put the stick
in the machine and cast the slugs.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>There is some leeway in positioning the division quads or line
breakers as I like to call them. Sometimes it will work better to have the
line breaker on one side of a letter and sometimes on the other side.
Experiment a little and see what results you get. Try not to have too much
of an over hang as letters can break off, either in the casting or in the use of
the slug.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Sometimes the break off of letters can be avoided or stopped by the
use of high spacing. I do that lots of times.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>In short the Ludlow is a good machine that is relatively easy to
use. It does require regular maintenance and cleaning however and this should
not be any kind of a serious deterrence to the use of this
machine.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Kindest regards to all. Except those bird brained Linotype
Operators. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for passing yourselves
off as type setters.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ludlow rules. Ludlow is supreme. Long live
Ludlow</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Signed in all modesty and humility and retiring shyness.
</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>The ever non-confrontational </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Kanterous Kermudgeon Kanada Ink.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Phil Ambrosi of Regina</STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:28:18 -0500
From: Ellen Knudson <lknudso3 at SLIS.UA.EDU>
Subject: Monotype vs. foundry type
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Hey all, I have a question about Monotype vs. Foundry type. I've heard two
extremely different takes on the subject. One person says that monotype
can be used once or twice and that's it, while foundry will last a long,
long time. Another person says that Monotype has a life of 1,000,000
impressions (using hard packing) while foundry has a life of 1,200,000--so
one isn't that much better than the other. What's the truth?
Ellen
----------------------------------------
Ellen Knudson
University of Alabama
Book Arts Program
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:34:50 -0700
From: "LA. Book Arts" <livres at ANET.NET>
Subject: Re: Monotype vs. foundry type
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Small Matter to be set - hand composition
Larger texts and complicated matter (especially mathematics or physics
or chemical Formulary) Monotype -if you are good on the keyboard.
Make ready defines how long your Type lasts - I've experienced people
who run down a perfectly new Font of foundry type as their knowledge of
packing and make ready was rudimentary.
20 years back, in Switzerland - I worked for an Outfit there we would
set Monotype on complicated matter and large matter. Average run was 25
000 impressions, very often reserved as standing form, I've printed
from Forms which were 10 years old and had seen 3 print runs per annum.
Foundry type is harder, but you can, like a lot of people did, take
Monotype and lay it in the case. If treated properly, it will last a
long time.
charles
(who has done 145 pp matter in hand composition and run Monotype.)
------------------------------------
L.A Book Arts, Inc.
The Custom Bindery
Krause Intaglio
310.360.7265
www.Custombindery.com
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On May 12, 2004, at 9:28 AM, Ellen Knudson wrote:
> Hey all, I have a question about Monotype vs. Foundry type. I've heard
> two
> extremely different takes on the subject. One person says that monotype
> can be used once or twice and that's it, while foundry will last a
> long,
> long time. Another person says that Monotype has a life of 1,000,000
> impressions (using hard packing) while foundry has a life of
> 1,200,000--so
> one isn't that much better than the other. What's the truth?
>
> Ellen
> ----------------------------------------
> Ellen Knudson
> University of Alabama
> Book Arts Program
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:41:57 EDT
From: Stephen Hyde <WynkinWord at AOL.COM>
Subject: I have a photo...
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As I have retired and am going to live in France, I called into say good-bye
to Ian Stephens RE (retr.) and got a picture of him with his Columbian Press
it's an early one number 13.
If anyone would like to admire this machine and man I can send a pic.
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eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">As I have retired and am going to live=20=
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icture of him with his Columbian Press it's an early one number 13.<BR>
<BR>
If anyone would like to admire this machine and man I can send a pic.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:50:35 -0700
From: "LA. Book Arts" <livres at ANET.NET>
Subject: Re: I have a photo...
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yes please.
There about in France are you/
I've a Friend who retired to Montvalent (Bordeaux) .
charles
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L.A Book Arts, Inc.
The Custom Bindery
Krause Intaglio
310.360.7265
www.Custombindery.com
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On May 12, 2004, at 10:41 AM, Stephen Hyde wrote:
> As I have retired and am going to live in France, I called into say
> good-bye to Ian Stephens RE (retr.) and got a picture of him with his
> Columbian Press it's an early one number 13.
>
> If anyone would like to admire this machine and man I can send a pic.
>
>
> Regards Stephen Hyde
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:18:23 -0400
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I would love to see this image. =20
Stephen Nelson
Woonsocket, RI=20
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Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:41 PM
Subject: I have a photo...
As I have retired and am going to live in France, I called into say =
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Columbian Press it's an early one number 13.
If anyone would like to admire this machine and man I can send a pic.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:52:47 -0700
From: True Bug Press <truebugpress at HIGHSTREAM.NET>
Subject: hammond missing part
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Hi folks,
I=B9ve got a chance to name my price for a Hammond Glider.
I think the guy selling it will take under 100 bucks for it.
It runs; there=B9s some surface rust on the table; the blade=B9s dull; almost
all the parts are there...
But the clamp part with the bakelite knob that secures tiny lengths of lead
into place is missing.
The questions are:
1. Can I find this missing part for not more than the saw costs? Do they
ever come up alone? Does anyone have one floating around?
2. What=B9s a fair offer for the saw I describe? I=B9ve found instances in the
archives of this list of prices from 0 to 350!
I need to let the seller know before too long.
I appreciate any input!
Jenny Sapora
True Bug Press
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<FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Hi folks,<BR>
<BR>
I’ve got a chance to name my price for a Hammond Glider.<BR>
I think the guy selling it will take under 100 bucks for it.<BR>
It runs; there’s some surface rust on the table; the blade’s du=
ll; almost all the parts are there...<BR>
But the clamp part with the bakelite knob that secures tiny lengths of lead=
into place is missing.<BR>
<BR>
The questions are:<BR>
</FONT><OL><LI><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Can I find this missing part fo=
r not more than the saw costs? Do they ever come up alone? Does anyone have =
one floating around?
</FONT><LI><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">What’s a fair offer for the s=
aw I describe? I’ve found instances in the archives of this list of pr=
ices from 0 to 350!<BR>
</FONT></OL><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><BR>
I need to let the seller know before too long.<BR>
I appreciate any input!<BR>
<BR>
Jenny Sapora<BR>
True Bug Press</FONT>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:18:51 -0400
From: Harold Sterne <halsterne at MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Monotype vs. foundry type
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Ellen,
I will let you know the next time I run either quantity on my 8 x 12 C & P.
Hal Sterne
----- Original Message -----
From: Ellen Knudson
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:39 PM
To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
Subject: Monotype vs. foundry type
Hey all, I have a question about Monotype vs. Foundry type. I've heard two
extremely different takes on the subject. One person says that monotype
can be used once or twice and that's it, while foundry will last a long,
long time. Another person says that Monotype has a life of 1,000,000
impressions (using hard packing) while foundry has a life of 1,200,000--so
one isn't that much better than the other. What's the truth?
Ellen
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Ellen Knudson
University of Alabama
Book Arts Program
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IV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA</DIV> <=
DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Monotype vs. foundry type<=
/DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Hey all, I have a question about Monotype vs. Foun=
dry type. I've heard two<BR>extremely different takes on the subject. One=
person says that monotype<BR>can be used once or twice and that's it, wh=
ile foundry will last a long,<BR>long time. Another person says that Mono=
type has a life of 1,000,000<BR>impressions (using hard packing) while fo=
undry has a life of 1,200,000--so<BR>one isn't that much better than the =
other. What's the truth?<BR><BR>Ellen<BR>--------------------------------=
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:20:41 -0400
From: David Griffin <davidgriffin at CISBEC.NET>
Subject: Re: Off Topic New York City
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Maria,
If you want unpretentious, very reasonable prices, and an old world =
flavor, try the Leo House
on 23rd /st, in Manhattan. It is (or was) run by German nuns when I =
stayed there almost 40 years
ago. I was surprised to find they're still open and still gracious.Leo =
House (A Catholic Guest House)332 West 23rd Street (Between 8 and 9 Ave) =
New York, NY Tel: 212-929-1010 Rates: Single $62-$72 Double They're on =
west 23rd St.
between 8th and 8th ave. Do a Google search on "leo house new york" and =
you'll see
a number of references. In fact, on the following site, which was =
evidently put together for
those studying spanish, there are quite a few reasonable-sounding =
hotels.
http://www.spanishnewyork.com/hotels-in-manhattan.html
We have some member on this list who live in or near the city; perhaps =
they could comment.
Dave Griffin
Leo House (A Catholic Guest House)
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<DIV>Maria,</DIV>
<DIV>If you want unpretentious, very reasonable prices, and an old world =
flavor,=20
try the Leo House</DIV>
<DIV>on 23rd /st, in Manhattan. It is (or was) run by German nuns =
when I=20
stayed there almost 40 years</DIV>
<DIV>ago. I was surprised to find they're still open and still =
gracious.
<DIV style=3D"LEFT: 119px; POSITION: absolute; TOP: =
4157px"><NOBR><B><B><SPAN=20
class=3Dgoohl0>Leo </SPAN></B><B><SPAN class=3Dgoohl1>House</SPAN></B> =
(A Catholic=20
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<DIV style=3D"LEFT: 119px; POSITION: absolute; TOP: 4198px"><NOBR>332 =
West 23rd=20
Street (Between 8 and 9 Ave) </NOBR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"LEFT: 119px; POSITION: absolute; TOP: =
4219px"><NOBR><B><SPAN=20
class=3Dgoohl2>New </SPAN></B><B><SPAN class=3Dgoohl3>York</SPAN></B>, =
NY=20
</NOBR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"LEFT: 119px; POSITION: absolute; TOP: 4240px"><NOBR>Tel:=20
212-929-1010 </NOBR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"LEFT: 119px; POSITION: absolute; TOP: 4261px"><NOBR>Rates: =
Single=20
$62-$72 Double </NOBR></DIV> They're on west 23rd St.</DIV>
<DIV>between 8th and 8th ave. Do a Google search on "leo house new =
york"=20
and you'll see</DIV>
<DIV>a number of references. In fact, on the following site, which =
was=20
evidently put together for</DIV>
<DIV>those studying spanish, there are quite a few reasonable-sounding=20
hotels.</DIV>
<DIV><A =
href=3D"http://www.spanishnewyork.com/hotels-in-manhattan.html"><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana=20
size=3D2>http://www.spanishnewyork.com/hotels-in-manhattan.html</FONT></A=
></DIV>
<DIV>We have some member on this list who live in or near the =
city;=20
perhaps they could comment.</DIV>
<DIV>Dave Griffin</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:36:54 -0700
From: Maria Cirner <mymaria at SONIC.NET>
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I'd love to read your memoirs.;-)
Maria
On May 12, 2004, at 7:42 AM, Arthur E. Joly Jr. wrote:
> Greg,
> Why don't you cut and paste what you want in a new word document.
> Then you can adjust the type size to something that you can see.
> Art
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Fischer [SMTP:LINOFISH at AOL.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:03 AM
> To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
> Subject: NON LETPRESS (E-MAIL)
>
> LPF:
> Is there any way to eliminate the print out of the headers? I usually
> listen
> to the printer change pace and hit the cancel button. Gotta be the
> biggest
> waster of ink and paper since my memoirs! :-)
>
> <"}}}}><
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:38:21 -0700
From: Maria Cirner <mymaria at SONIC.NET>
Subject: Re: National Stationery Show
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Where's Javitz?
Maria
On May 11, 2004, at 11:25 PM, 9SpotMonk Design Co. wrote:
> If anyone's going to be at the National Stationery Show at Javits
> from 5/16 to 5/19, please drop by our booth - Take Note Section,
> booth 7524. I'd love to meet the printers on this list, put a face to
> an email address...
>
> Vivian
> --
>
>
> -----
> Vivian Leung
> 9SpotMonk Design Co.
> Exquisitely Modern Design and Letterpress(SM)
>
> vivian at 9spotmonk.com
> ring +1 201 795 1668 | fax +1 201 221 8867
>
> <http://www.9spotmonk.com>
> -----
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:41:50 -0700
From: Maria Cirner <mymaria at SONIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Overweight shipping
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What's it going to take for you to sell out to Kinko's. I can't even
walk into their place after being disgusted with them so many times.
(Actually 2, but that was enough.)
Maria
On May 12, 2004, at 8:40 AM, Michael T. Metz wrote:
> I also learned yesterday that FedEx bought Kinko's.
> They have made overtures to me to buy out my letterpress
> shop, but I'm holding out.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Letterpress Discussion List [mailto:LETPRESS at unb.ca]On Behalf Of
> George Chapman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:35 AM
> To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
> Subject: Re: Overweight shipping
>
>
> I believe that RPS was absorbed by FedEx and is now FedEx ground. I
> may be
> wrong but anyway FedEx Ground is a good alternaticve to UPS for heavy
> stuff.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Phillips" <marphill at MINDSPRING.COM>
> To: <LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:09 AM
> Subject: Re: C & P New Style Parts
>
>
>> RPS (Roadway Package Service) ships items that exceed UPS Weights
>>
>> Greg Fischer wrote:
>>> LPF:
>>> Maximum weight for UPS is 150lbs. Just TRY and find that info on
>>> their
> site
>>> without having to download a ton of stuff. Finally I just asked
> "Google"
>>> directly. Which also begs the question, what if the delivery person
> weighs less
>>> than the 150 lb package? :-)
>>>
>>> <"}}}}><
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mark Phillips
>> egallery http://www.graphicmarx.com
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:16:34 -0600
From: Ambrosi Printers <ambrosi.printers at SASKTEL.NET>
Subject: Something is wrong here.
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Dear Ira Lee Newlander
I cannot get an email message to you. My server has sent my message back twice.
My phone number is (306) 522-5033 and I am in this afternoon.
Phil Ambrosi
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:43:48 +0100
From: Silber =?ISO-8859-1?Q?MaiK=E4tzchen?= <MayKitten1 at YAHOO.COM>
Subject: AW: NON LETPRESS (E-MAIL)
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Use the mouse to highlight the portion of the doccument you want to print.
Do <Ctrl>+P to open print dialoge
In dialog select "Selection"
Hit return or click on OK
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LPF:
Is there any way to eliminate the print out of the headers? I usually
listen
to the printer change pace and hit the cancel button. Gotta be the
biggest
waster of ink and paper since my memoirs! :-)
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:14:36 -0700
From: Maria Cirner <mymaria at SONIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Off-topic New York
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Thank you,
and also to all of those on this list who gave me recommendations. The
Leo house is still run by nuns, my nephew's "boss lady" had recommended
it to him for us and I called. They were all booked up. On a last
minute ditch effort, I called a B&B that he had recommended a week ago,
which my sister had called and was told that they were full, but when I
called yesterday, The owner told me her "spare" room was available, so
that's where we are staying.
Until next week,
Maria
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:15:19 -0500
From: Ed Inman <edinman at EARTHLINK.NET>
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There is little argument that foundry type is generally harder than
monotype and that monotype is generally harder than linotype.
But the question of how long they will last or how many times they can be
used is relative--like asking how many times a phonograph record can be
played or how many miles a car can be driven.
There are many variables ranging from the face itself to the packing and
pressure used on the press--but when carefully used monotype should
certainly hold up for a lot more than a couple of jobs.
Stop by visit my shop in case you're ever over in Jackson, Miss.
cheers,
Ed Inman
edinman at earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Ellen Knudson <lknudso3 at SLIS.UA.EDU>
One person says that monotype
> can be used once or twice and that's it, while foundry will last a long,
> long time.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:36:44 EDT
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Jenny:
If the saw has a carbide blade, I would buy it. As far as the clamp, I
seldom used it on the ones at work, and I don't have it installed on the old
Miller I have in my studio, er, I mean SHOP. I just hold the material in tight
with my finger, there is plenty of room, the clamp takes up more. The Hammond
table glides very easily, and is controllable, so just be careful. How much
real short stuff are you going to cut anyway? I undercut Lino slugs on my saw
and that is a lot closer than clamp work. You just gotta be careful!!!
I have a sign with a rather gruesome illustration near the saw. It says
"Fingers Don't Grow Back!". A good reminder!
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 23:47:51 +0200
From: John Cornelisse <enkidu at ZEELANDNET.NL>
Subject: Re: Monotype vs. foundry type
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At 18:28 12-05-2004, you wrote:
>Hey all, I have a question about Monotype vs. Foundry type. I've heard two
>extremely different takes on the subject. One person says that monotype
>can be used once or twice and that's it, while foundry will last a long,
>long time. Another person says that Monotype has a life of 1,000,000
>impressions (using hard packing) while foundry has a life of 1,200,000--so
>one isn't that much better than the other. What's the truth?
>
>Ellen
Ellen,
The content of Antimony (Sb) and Tin (Sn) against Lead (Pb) determines the
behaviour of the type.
The mixed cristals made by Antimony and Tin, embedded in the excess Lead,
they give endurance to the type.
In this way also Copper can be added, as often done in Typefounders type.
This last addition was not in favour of the monotype-caster, because the
mixed cristals of Copper and Lead tend to block the nozzle of the caster,
and more often the nozzle of the machine had to be cleaned.
There have been lots of various mixtures used by Monotype, the manuals
speak of 5 different
mixtures, all with their advantages/disadvantages
5 % Sn - 15 % Sb
10 % Sn -16 % Sb
9 % Sn -19 % Sb
13 % Sn - 17 % Sb
12 % Sn - 24 % Sb
So varying from 15 -up to 24 % Antimony (Lino/intertype has only 4% Sn...)
With all their different qualities.... it's hard to say, what you have,
when you see type with a square nick.
So all what people say.... it can differ. They just do not know.
And presently cast character is cast most times using mixtures of old
monotype-mixures and molten lead from old type-founders lead. To compensate
for the loss of Tin and Antimony while recasting.
Without any metalurgic investigation of the lead used for your type,
nobody can predict the hardness of your type or how long it will last.
You are not gonna print millions of impressions of your type.
When you are just be carefull with your character, monotype or typefounders,
you will not see the difference at all, in your lifetime.
Hard pakking will save your type, pretending you make your makeready
very precise and very carefull. Make it a little to heavy will ruin your type
even faster than a soft pakking.
The very advantage to have a caster available is: I can avoid the distribution
of the pages, I've printed, and my type is always new. And I can make and
print
all text in one run. Never out of character !
(as always working on the interface-computer-to monotype-caster)
best wishes,
John Cornelisse
Enkidu-Press, letterpress & type-founding, Apa 754
Vaartstraat 23, 4553 AN Philippine, Zeeuws Vlaanderen
The Netherlands, +31 (0) 115 49 11 84
So she spoke to him and her word found favour,
he knew by instinct, he should seek a friend.
John Cornelisse
Enkidu-Press, letterpress & type-founding, Apa 754
Vaartstraat 23, 4553 AN Philippine, Zeeuws Vlaanderen
The Netherlands, +31 (0) 115 49 11 84
So she spoke to him and her word found favour,
he knew by instinct, he should seek a friend.
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<font size=3>At 18:28 12-05-2004, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hey all, I have a question about
Monotype vs. Foundry type. I've heard two<br>
extremely different takes on the subject. One person says that
monotype<br>
can be used once or twice and that's it, while foundry will last a
long,<br>
long time. Another person says that Monotype has a life of
1,000,000<br>
impressions (using hard packing) while foundry has a life of
1,200,000--so<br>
one isn't that much better than the other. What's the truth?<br><br>
Ellen</font></blockquote><br>
Ellen,<br><br>
The content of Antimony (Sb) and Tin (Sn) against Lead (Pb) determines
the behaviour of the type.<br><br>
The mixed cristals made by Antimony and Tin, embedded in the excess Lead,
they give endurance to the type.<br><br>
In this way also Copper can be added, as often done in Typefounders type.
<br><br>
This last addition was not in favour of the monotype-caster, because the
mixed cristals of Copper and Lead tend to block the nozzle of the caster,
and more often the nozzle of the machine had to be cleaned.<br><br>
There have been lots of various mixtures used by Monotype, the manuals
speak of 5 different<br>
mixtures, all with their advantages/disadvantages<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab> 5 % Sn - 15 %
Sb<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>10 % Sn
-16 % Sb<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab> 9 % Sn
-19 % Sb<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>13 % Sn -
17 % Sb<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>12 % Sn -
24 % Sb<br><br>
So varying from 15 -up to 24 % Antimony (Lino/intertype has
only 4% Sn...)<br><br>
With all their different qualities.... it's hard to say, what you have,
<br>
when you see type with a square nick.<br><br>
So all what people say.... it can differ. They just do not
know.<br><br>
And presently cast character is cast most times using mixtures of old
monotype-mixures and molten lead from old type-founders lead. To
compensate for the loss of Tin and Antimony while recasting.<br><br>
<b>Without any metalurgic investigation of the lead used for your
type,<br>
nobody can predict the hardness of your type or how long it will
last.<br><br>
</b>You are not gonna print millions of impressions of your type.
<br><br>
When you are just be carefull with your character, monotype or
typefounders,<br>
you will not see the difference at all, in your lifetime.<br><br>
Hard pakking will save your type, pretending you make your makeready
<br>
very precise and very carefull. Make it a little to heavy will ruin your
type<br>
even faster than a soft pakking.<br><br>
The very advantage to have a caster available is: I can avoid the
distribution<br>
of the pages, I've printed, and my type is always new. And I can make and
print <br>
all text in one run. Never out of character !<br><br>
(as always working on the interface-computer-to
monotype-caster)<br><br>
best wishes,<br><br>
John Cornelisse<br><br>
<font size=3>Enkidu-Press, letterpress & type-founding, Apa 754<br>
Vaartstraat 23, 4553 AN Philippine, Zeeuws Vlaanderen<br>
The Netherlands, +31 (0) 115 49 11 84<br><br>
So she spoke to him and her word found favour, <br>
he knew by instinct, he should seek a friend.<br><br>
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<font size=3>John Cornelisse<br><br>
Enkidu-Press, letterpress & type-founding, Apa 754<br>
Vaartstraat 23, 4553 AN Philippine, Zeeuws Vlaanderen<br>
The Netherlands, +31 (0) 115 49 11 84<br><br>
So she spoke to him and her word found favour, <br>
he knew by instinct, he should seek a friend.<br>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:15:41 -0400
From: Oak Knoll Books <oakknoll at OAKKNOLL.COM>
Subject: A Virtual Auction with 100% of the funds going to UNICEF
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A Virtual Auction with 100% of the funds going to UNICEF
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:36:20 -0500
From: "Michael T. Metz" <mtmetz at SWBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Overweight shipping
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FedEx has publicly denied that there is an offer on
the table, but this is an attempt to keep their
stock price artificially low until the deal goes
through. There is still a lot of insider buying
going on right now.
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From: Letterpress Discussion List [mailto:LETPRESS at unb.ca]On Behalf Of
Maria Cirner
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:42 PM
To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
Subject: Re: Overweight shipping
What's it going to take for you to sell out to Kinko's. I can't even
walk into their place after being disgusted with them so many times.
(Actually 2, but that was enough.)
Maria
On May 12, 2004, at 8:40 AM, Michael T. Metz wrote:
> I also learned yesterday that FedEx bought Kinko's.
> They have made overtures to me to buy out my letterpress
> shop, but I'm holding out.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Letterpress Discussion List [mailto:LETPRESS at unb.ca]On Behalf Of
> George Chapman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:35 AM
> To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
> Subject: Re: Overweight shipping
>
>
> I believe that RPS was absorbed by FedEx and is now FedEx ground. I
> may be
> wrong but anyway FedEx Ground is a good alternaticve to UPS for heavy
> stuff.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Phillips" <marphill at MINDSPRING.COM>
> To: <LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:09 AM
> Subject: Re: C & P New Style Parts
>
>
>> RPS (Roadway Package Service) ships items that exceed UPS Weights
>>
>> Greg Fischer wrote:
>>> LPF:
>>> Maximum weight for UPS is 150lbs. Just TRY and find that info on
>>> their
> site
>>> without having to download a ton of stuff. Finally I just asked
> "Google"
>>> directly. Which also begs the question, what if the delivery person
> weighs less
>>> than the 150 lb package? :-)
>>>
>>> <"}}}}><
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mark Phillips
>> egallery http://www.graphicmarx.com
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:58:40 EDT
From: Greg Fischer <LINOFISH at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ludlow questions/frustrations
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Try setting a phone book on a Ludlow! :-)
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:04:26 -0500
From: Ric Johnson <ric at TEKINTERACTIVE.COM>
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On May 12, 2004, at 8:40 AM, Michael T. Metz wrote:
> I also learned yesterday that FedEx bought Kinko's.
> They have made overtures to me to buy out my letterpress
> shop, but I'm holding out.
Having the delivery guy stop by your house to deliver type and see the press
and say "that's a neat old machine, what *is* that?" does NOT count as FedEx
making "overtures" to buy your shop!
:)
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:25:15 EDT
From: Ira Newlander <IraLeeNewlander at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ludlow questions/frustrations
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In a message dated 5/12/2004 3:59:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
LINOFISH at AOL.COM writes:
> Try setting a phone book on a Ludlow! :-)
I did, but it bounced off into the press :(
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:28:11 -0700
From: Maria Cirner <mymaria at SONIC.NET>
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But what if he/she (mine's a she) stands there for an extra long time?
Maria
On May 12, 2004, at 4:04 PM, Ric Johnson wrote:
> On May 12, 2004, at 8:40 AM, Michael T. Metz wrote:
>
>> I also learned yesterday that FedEx bought Kinko's.
>> They have made overtures to me to buy out my letterpress
>> shop, but I'm holding out.
>
> Having the delivery guy stop by your house to deliver type and see the
> press
> and say "that's a neat old machine, what *is* that?" does NOT count as
> FedEx
> making "overtures" to buy your shop!
>
> :)
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:09:27 -0500
From: "Michael T. Metz" <mtmetz at SWBELL.NET>
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Does she start to sing?
-----Original Message-----
From: Letterpress Discussion List [mailto:LETPRESS at unb.ca]On Behalf Of
Maria Cirner
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:28 PM
To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
Subject: Re: Overweight shipping
But what if he/she (mine's a she) stands there for an extra long time?
Maria
On May 12, 2004, at 4:04 PM, Ric Johnson wrote:
> On May 12, 2004, at 8:40 AM, Michael T. Metz wrote:
>
>> I also learned yesterday that FedEx bought Kinko's.
>> They have made overtures to me to buy out my letterpress
>> shop, but I'm holding out.
>
> Having the delivery guy stop by your house to deliver type and see the
> press
> and say "that's a neat old machine, what *is* that?" does NOT count as
> FedEx
> making "overtures" to buy your shop!
>
> :)
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:54:53 -0700
From: Maria Cirner <mymaria at SONIC.NET>
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No, just oohing and ahhing.
M
On May 12, 2004, at 5:09 PM, Michael T. Metz wrote:
> Does she start to sing?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Letterpress Discussion List [mailto:LETPRESS at unb.ca]On Behalf Of
> Maria Cirner
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:28 PM
> To: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA
> Subject: Re: Overweight shipping
>
>
> But what if he/she (mine's a she) stands there for an extra long time?
> Maria
> On May 12, 2004, at 4:04 PM, Ric Johnson wrote:
>
>> On May 12, 2004, at 8:40 AM, Michael T. Metz wrote:
>>
>>> I also learned yesterday that FedEx bought Kinko's.
>>> They have made overtures to me to buy out my letterpress
>>> shop, but I'm holding out.
>>
>> Having the delivery guy stop by your house to deliver type and see the
>> press
>> and say "that's a neat old machine, what *is* that?" does NOT count as
>> FedEx
>> making "overtures" to buy your shop!
>>
>> :)
>>
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:12:21 EDT
From: Ira Newlander <IraLeeNewlander at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Something is wrong here.
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Hi, Phil.
Thanks. I feel better already. I'm using Underwood for this newsletter
and it's going to look great.
I meant to mention -- perhaps I did on the List -- when I first saw my
Ludlow, it was love at first sight. I knew you'd understand.
Ira.
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Thanks. I feel better already. I'm using Underwood for th=
is newsletter and it's going to look great.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:00:11 -0700
From: "Dr. Leland Whitson" <whitsonetal at SOCAL.RR.COM>
Subject: Re: I have a photo...
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Stephen,
Thank you for making this available. Please send picture.
Leland
Dr. Leland Whitson
T r u s t e e
Int'l. Printing Museum
Carson, California
U S A
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Columbian Press it's an early one number 13.
If anyone would like to admire this machine and man I can send a pic.
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<DIV>Stephen,</DIV>
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<DIV>Thank you for making this available. Please send =
picture.</DIV>
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<DIV>Leland</DIV>
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<DIV>Dr. Leland Whitson</DIV>
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s t e e</DIV>
<DIV>Int'l. Printing Museum</DIV>
<DIV>Carson, California</DIV>
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<A title=3DWynkinWord at AOL.COM =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 12, 2004 =
10:41=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> I have a =
photo...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3DGeneva =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">As I have retired and am going to live =
in France, I=20
called into say good-bye to Ian Stephens RE (retr.) and got a picture =
of him=20
with his Columbian Press it's an early one number 13.<BR><BR>If anyone =
would=20
like to admire this machine and man I can send a =
pic.<BR><BR><BR>Regards=20
Stephen Hyde</FONT><FONT face=3DGeneva color=3D#000000 size=3D2=20
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 22:12:20 -0400
From: "Ph. D." <phild at LNI.NET>
Subject: Re: On the topic of the Ludlow
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Phil,=20
Didn't you once own and operate a Linotype?
--Ph. D.=20
----- Originala Mesagxo -----=20
De: Ambrosi Printers=20
Al: LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA=20
Sendita: Merkredon, 12an de majo 2004, 12:14 ptm
Temo: On the topic of the Ludlow
. . .=20
Kindest regards to all. Except those bird brained Linotype Operators. =
You should all be ashamed of yourselves for passing yourselves off as =
type setters.
Ludlow rules. Ludlow is supreme. Long live Ludlow
Signed in all modesty and humility and retiring shyness.=20
The ever non-confrontational=20
Kanterous Kermudgeon Kanada Ink.
Phil Ambrosi of Regina
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<DIV><STRONG>Phil, </STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Didn't you once own and operate a Linotype?</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>--Ph. D. </STRONG></DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:ambrosi.printers at SASKTEL.NET">Ambrosi Printers</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Al:</B> <A =
title=3DLETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA=20
href=3D"mailto:LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA">LETPRESS at LISTSERV.UNB.CA</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sendita:</B> Merkredon, 12an de =
majo 2004,=20
12:14 ptm</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Temo:</B> On the topic of the =
Ludlow</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>. . . </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Kindest regards to all. Except those bird brained =
Linotype=20
Operators. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for passing=20
yourselves off as type setters.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ludlow rules. Ludlow is supreme. Long live=20
Ludlow</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Signed in all modesty and humility and retiring shyness.=20
</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>The ever non-confrontational </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Kanterous Kermudgeon Kanada Ink.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Phil Ambrosi of =
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