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Sounds like that Mailborder guy really knows what he is doing :)<br class="">
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<div class="">On Feb 20, 2022, at 15:45, Pramod Daya via MailScanner <<a href="mailto:mailscanner@lists.mailscanner.info" class="">mailscanner@lists.mailscanner.info</a>> wrote:</div>
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As a follow up, I found a difference in the way that my Mailscanner implementation was behaving, vs a mailborder implementation. With Mailscanner, the mail was accepted, and then handed over to spamasassin, where the spamassassin rules would trigger and then
cause the email to be tagged as spam. In the case of Mailborder, as soon as the “From:” point in the protocol was reached, the process would stop and the mail got rejected. I was trying to understand why they were behaving differently; but the Spamassassin
approach works so I guess I found a solution, and learned a bit more about SPF in the process. Hopefully this will help someone else. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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I was running a hand crafted SMTP transaction to test whether SPF tests were being implemented correctly on two different servers. The server I was testing from is not allowed to send mail for this domain (<a href="http://mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mindspring.co.za</a>)
via either server, i.e.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mailmaster.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailmaster.mindspring.co.za</a>, or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mb1.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mb1.mindspring.co.za</a>.
In the case of the mailmaster server, the mail is accepted by postfix, even though it fails SPF checks. For the second server, viz.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mb1.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mb1.mindspring.co.za</a>,
as soon as I submit the "From", it gets rejected by SPF. Is this possibly the mb1 servers is using a newer version of SPF or is this a configuration issue ?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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I did subsequently find that the SPF checks are working on the first server that seemed to accept the mail (<a href="http://mailmaster.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailmaster.mindspring.co.za</a>), but it got
handed to Spamassassin that then rejected the mail because of SPF.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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============ Start of transaction on Server Running Mailscanner ===================<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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$ telnet<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mailmaster.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailmaster.mindspring.co.za</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>25<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Trying 197.155.22.89...<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Connected to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mailmaster.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailmaster.mindspring.co.za</a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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220<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mailmaster.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailmaster.mindspring.co.za</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ESMTP Postfix<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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250 2.1.0 Ok<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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250 2.1.5 Ok<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as D6A1743AD04A<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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221 2.0.0 Bye<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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============ Start of transaction on Server Running Mailborder ===================<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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telnet<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mb1.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mb1.mindspring.co.za</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>25<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Trying 178.79.131.19...<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Connected to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mb1.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mb1.mindspring.co.za</a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Escape character is '^]'.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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220<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://mail.mb1.mindspring.co.za/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mail.mb1.mindspring.co.za</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ESMTP<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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250 2.1.0 Ok<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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550 5.7.23 <<a href="mailto:user@mindspring.co.za" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">user@mindspring.co.za</a>>: Recipient address rejected: Message rejected due to: SPF fail - not authorized. Please see<a href="http://www.openspf.net/Whys=helo;id=mindspring.co.za;ip=88.80.187.207;r=%3cUNKNOWN" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.openspf.net/Whys=helo;id=mindspring.co.za;ip=88.80.187.207;r=<UNKNOWN</a>><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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============ End of transaction on Server Running Mailscanner ===================<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>MailScanner <<a href="mailto:mailscanner-bounces+pramod=mindspring.co.za@lists.mailscanner.info" class="">mailscanner-bounces+pramod=mindspring.co.za@lists.mailscanner.info</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Shawn Iverson via MailScanner<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, 05 February 2022 21:36<br class="">
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<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shawn Iverson <shawniverson@summitgrid.com><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: SPF checks on Mailscanner<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<p class="">Since this is concerning pypolicyd-spf and python-pyspf, unless somehow MailScanner is at play here, I don't think this is a MailScanner issue. Can you bypass MailScanner and test again?<span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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On 2/5/22 11:13, Pramod Daya via MailScanner wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Running MailScanner 5.3.4-3 on Centos 7, I’m using, for SPF checking:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Using these policyd-spf.conf settings:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Which seems to work fine, as it issues warnings to servers that aren’t authorised to send for domains that don’t have SPF records set up correctly. However, when I do a command line test from a remote (unauthorised) server to send mail through this server,
it happily accepts the mail, even though the unauthorised server is not in the SPF list. The sending server is not whitelisted, I can’t understand why it doesn’t get rejected by the SPF check.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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