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I'd not use spamcop in an MTA. Too unreliable for an outright reject
as it's based on their users' opinions of what is SPAM and what is
not. Unsurprisingly a lot of IPs are blacklisted in SpamCop just
because someone signed up for the service, subscribed to something,
and then instead of addressing that problem reported it to SpamCop,<br>
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Zen and Sorbs will kill a lot, add greylisting and rejecting mail
for unknown users and it's as good as Gmail for spamlessness.<br>
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We tried it and had a lot of customer complaints so now we just use
it for a moderate + score in MS.<br>
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Cheers<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/05/14 17:29, Philip Parsons
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the original question was if you use them which ones do you
use ? and have had the greatest success with. Hahaha I
also said I did not want to kick off the discussion again
which has gone through the list many many times…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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am just looking for some suggestions to what lists to use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mailscanner-bounces@lists.mailscanner.info">mailscanner-bounces@lists.mailscanner.info</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mailscanner-bounces@lists.mailscanner.info">mailto:mailscanner-bounces@lists.mailscanner.info</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Terry Hulen Jr<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-14-14 6:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> MailScanner discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RBLS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I do not
believe that anyone is wrong in this thread. I have
~3-5 DNSBLs that I use. All of these are utilized at
the MTA and I also use Greylisting. I am using postfix
as my MTA.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">With all
of that being said...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The poster's original question was if I
used RBLs with MS, the answer is that I have never needed
to. I save machine resources by catching the offenders
early in the process and if they cannot make it past the
MTA, they cannot get to MS anyway.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Peter
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have to agree with Jonas... I
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<pre>One thing to keep in mind with RBLs, are DNS queries. It is not recommended<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>to use public DNS servers. (Google/open dns) Run<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>bind/named/dnsmasq/tinydns locally. Also, you won't really gain anything by<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>having too many RBLs .. You'll just up the processing time and queries.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>This part I do not agree with. Unless you think all RBL's contains more or less the same IP's, its pretty obvious that your protection improves with more RBL's.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Also unless you have resource contention in regards to multiple threads, the slowness RBL's introduce doesn't matter, and the system is just waiting for a response from the network, which almost doesn't consume any system resources.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Personally I have RBL's in both the MTA and in mailscanner. In the MTA I greylist based on a few very trustworthy RBL's and in mailscanner I score based on ohh I don't know 10-20 RBL's. It allows you to have a much more fine-tuned system instead of blocking based on a single RBL at the SMTP level.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>The advantage of having them in mailscanner is mainly that you can whitelist senders, the disadvantage is that senders aren't told that they are listed (but since all the RBL's I use are public db's used in thousands of systesm I trust somebody else will let them know soon enough :) )<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Med venlig hilsen / Best regards<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Jonas Akrouh Larsen<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>TechBiz ApS<o:p></o:p></pre>
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