Was in a similar position two years ago.....they are struggling along with the similar issues, suddenly spending HUGE amounts on IT etc<br><br><br clear="all">-- <br>Martin Hepworth<br>Oxford, UK<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 October 2010 14:00, Peter Farrow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peter@farrows.org">peter@farrows.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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On 19/10/2010 13:43, Nigel Kendrick wrote:
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Crow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 15 October 2010 17:25<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> The Exchange takeover, stealth
Mailscanner, SPF, and other
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<p class="MsoNormal">Martin,<br>
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However that might not play out quite as well as just letting
them shoot
themselves in the foot - if you put a "stealth" MS box in
front of
Exchange, then management would just think that the Microsoft
stuff did just as
well as the old Linux software. It might be better to explain
it should be
tested with and without the Mailscanner solution as a
comparison. However if
Nigel is leaving, why not just let them fight their own war!<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">--> Yes, they can make their own plans now.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nigel, I presumed you pointed out that in
addition to the
£16k for exchange they would need something to stem the
spam-flow, and given
their need for "a throat to squeeze" (the usual reason) it
would
probably be commercial?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">--> Company motto seems to be “If there’s two
comparable ways
to do something, pick the most expensive.” As well as the
email fiasco...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> 1) They are currently ripping out our ADSL
lines/VPNs to
replace them with a BT managed ‘cloud’ system. Not only are
the links more
expensive and in some cases slower (we have some sites
running 20Mbit/2.5Mbit
LLU that are going back to 8Mbit/883K), but they have to pay
an annual support
charge and submit a request for any router config changes.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">2) They need to ‘move’ a central server to from
my offices to their
HQ – so they buy a second, identical server (Dell 6850
rackmount with 4 Quad
core Pentiums, 16GB RAM and 300GB RAID 5 SAS (3 disks)) and
someone is going to
do a data dump this weekend and drive it up. There would be
no problems with
the downtime, but for some reason I have no inclination of
questioning, they aren’t
just going to backup this server, shut it down and take it
with them.</span></p>
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Alex<br>
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Obviously they have cash to burn, and the BT "cloud" they are
selling at 8M/832k is based on the ANCIENT ipstream technology which
forms the original ADSL1.0 offering in the UK 10 years ago. Your
LLU services are based on ADSL2+ so you are going to be taking a
HUGE step backwards and paying handsomely for the "privilege". <br>
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I very much hope they are fluent in punjabi-english and don't want
anything done properly or quickly, because when you need a change
you'll be speaking to someone on the sub continent who doesn't even
know where London is.<br>
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This is a laughable, and its usually based on some empire-building
moron stacking up responsibility in his own office at the companies
expense and at the expense of performance and progress....<br>
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Time to leave... as your counterparts shovel £50 notes on the fire
to keep warm....<br>
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