From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 13:05:20 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:05:20 +0200
Subject: New to MailScanner
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Actually... Postfix has had recipient verification capabilities inbuilt for
some time, so there really is no need for milter-ahead to enter the
equation. What many do is to implement some other method of verifying the
viability of recipients, to be able to weed out the kind of e-mail
addresses that make no sense outside the "forest" or "organizaional unit"
serviced by the AD/Exchange server(s).
In my case I do this with a pretty straightforward shell script around a
pretty basic ldapsearch (from openldap), that weed out all things I don't
want to expose, and that generate and postmap a relay recipient map. ISTR
there being something about this in the wiki already, as well as how to
setup PF for general recipient verification:-)

Cheers
-- 
-- Glenn


On 30 July 2014 16:08, Alex Neuman <alex at vidadigital.com.pa> wrote:

> I've gone the milter-ahead route myself a couple of times; don't know
> if/how it applies to Postfix. I did find this through Google:
>
>
> http://acidx.net/wordpress/2014/06/installing-a-mailserver-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-ldap-roundcube/
>
> In section 6 it describes how Postfix can check LDAP for valid recipients,
> if I interpret it correctly.
>
> Just a brain shart.
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Tracy Greggs <mailscanner-list at okla.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Milter-Ahead is just a commercial mail filter addon.  It is a 1 time cost
>> of
>> a little over 100.00 US.  It checks with the exchange box to see if it is
>> a
>> valid recipient before MailScanner processes it.  It caches results as
>> well.
>>
>> If we wanted to have a discussion about free and not free, exchange is
>> certainly not free.
>>
>> I was merely trying to point out that in a MailScanner gateway setup for
>> exchange, Milter-Ahead works great for making sure the recipient is valid
>> on
>> the exchange server before any processing.
>>
>> It really has nothing to do with spam filtering, it just keeps you from
>> processing mail with the MailScanner gateway and shipping it to the
>> exchange
>> box after when it is not a valid recipient on the exchange box in the 1st
>> place.
>>
>> Perhaps you misunderstood the point I was making.
>>
>> How does graylisting do that or have anything to do with that?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
>> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Mogens
>> Melander
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:36 AM
>> To: MailScanner discussion
>> Subject: RE: New to MailScanner
>>
>> It's probably just me, but.
>>
>> Why would the OP need a paid service to do, what his free, and very potent
>> gateway, will do for him, in less cycles. Saving him the hassle of dealing
>> with a commercial entity, instead of a friendly and helpful user
>> community.
>>
>> A few keywords in google's search box would bring him more helpful
>> suggestions than yours.
>>
>> BTW. I use sendmail too. I use smf graylisting:
>>
>> http://www.greylisting.org/implementations/sendmail.shtml
>>
>> https://www.google.dk/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=smf+greylisting+postfix
>>
>> If it's not postfix friendly, something similar should be easy to find.
>>
>> Just a brain fart.
>>
>> On Tue, July 29, 2014 20:47, Tracy Greggs wrote:
>> > I use sendmail, so someone else can comment on your postfix question.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would make a suggestion to turn on the Exchange antispam feature for
>> > recipient checking and run MILTER-AHEAD with your MailScanner MTA.  It
>> > is cheap but not free, but well worth the expense.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Tracy Greggs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
>> > [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Greg
>> > Ledford
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:49 AM
>> > To: 'mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info'
>> > Subject: New to MailScanner
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello. Please be kind as I'm still learning the program and I'll have
>> > lots of questions. Is there a webpage that lists the instructions to
>> > install MailScanner + Postfix if you are using it as a front-end for
>> > an Exchange
>> > 2010 server? Thanks for any help you can provide.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Greg Ledford
>> > PHHW Technology Services LLC
>> > 1000 Corporate Centre Dr, Ste 200
>> > Franklin, TN 37067
>> > Office (615) 778-1777
>> > Cell (615) 403-6989
>> >
>> > Fax (615) 771-0081
>> > Email  <mailto:gledford at phhwtechnology.com>
>> > gledford at phhwtechnology.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
>> > <http://www.mailscanner.info/> MailScanner, and is believed to be
>> > clean.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
>> > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
>> > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
>> >
>> > --
>> > MailScanner mailing list
>> > mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
>> > http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>> >
>> > Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>> >
>> > Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mogens Melander
>> +66 8701 33224
>>
>>
>> --
>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>>
>> --
>> MailScanner mailing list
>> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>>
>> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>>
>> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>>
>> --
>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>>
>>
>> --
>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>>
>> --
>> MailScanner mailing list
>> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>>
>> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>>
>> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>>
>
>
> --
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>


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-- Glenn
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 13:37:56 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:37:56 +0200
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: New to MailScanner
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MailSanner and one of the "front-ends" will likely be able to do exactly
what you want, and (in the case of Postfix as MTA, at least) with OSS tools
"through and through":).
The problem is your third point, not so much for the messages that get
handled by MailScanner as such, but rather the ones you reject at the MTA
level. Such rejections inherently only leave a very slight presence in your
logs, and are done so early in the process (according to the philosophy:
the earlier you reject, the lees work your MX host need do!) so that your
MTA simply doesn't know enough to determine which the final recipient would
have been (think RFC "strictness" like rejection malformed HELO/EHLO
statements, for example "EHLO joe.schmo at example.net" or "EHLO plainword").
For summarising stuff like that you need do some log analysis (pflogsum
come to mind).
but for everything that is accepted but never delivered to the recipient,
at leas mailWatch have a nice quarantine report (there have been others
over the years, I'm just mentioning the one I'm somewhat familiar with;)
that will do exactly what you want.

Cheers
-- 
-- Glenn

On 30 July 2014 19:03, Greg Ledford <gledford at phhwtechnology.com> wrote:

>  I?m mostly trying to accomplish three things: 1) effective front-end
> spam filtering 2) FREE software to do it 3) a daily report sent to users to
> see what was captured so they don?t wonder if they missed a client email
> that was caught as spam and rejected. I?m not sure if this software will
> even meet my needs but I?m open to ideas and suggestions. Thanks to
> everyone for your help.
>
>
>
>
> *Greg Ledford*
> *PHHW Technology Services LLC*
> 1000 Corporate Centre Dr, Ste 200
> Franklin, TN 37067
> Office (615) 778-1777
> Cell (615) 403-6989
>
> Fax (615) 771-0081
> Email gledford at phhwtechnology.com
>
>
>
> *From:* mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:
> mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] *On Behalf Of *Tracy Greggs
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:03 AM
> *To:* 'MailScanner discussion'
> *Subject:* RE: {Disarmed} Re: New to MailScanner
>
>
>
> I don?t use postfix so I could be off base here, but according to the
> snertsoft site, milter-ahead works with postfix as well as sendmail.
>
>
>
> I guess the whole point of my suggestion in the 1st place is that the
> original poster would want to use some form of recipient verification
> before processing with MailScanner IMO.  In my case Milter-Ahead does a
> great job but there is always more than 1 way to do things.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [
> mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> <mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info>] *On Behalf Of *Alex Neuman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:09 AM
>
> *To:* MailScanner discussion
> *Subject:* {Disarmed} Re: New to MailScanner
>
>
>
> I've gone the milter-ahead route myself a couple of times; don't know
> if/how it applies to Postfix. I did find this through Google:
>
>
>
>
> http://acidx.net/wordpress/2014/06/installing-a-mailserver-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-ldap-roundcube/
>
>
>
> In section 6 it describes how Postfix can check LDAP for valid recipients,
> if I interpret it correctly.
>
>
>
> Just a brain shart.
>
>
>
> [image: Web Bug from
> http://t.sigopn05.com/img.gif?ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAgKCUyroKDA&key=ae73fb69-185a-4805-8c58-9a6ebd641ab1]
>
>
>
>
> *Alex Neuman van der Hans *Reliant Technologies / Vida Digital
> http://vidadigital.com.pa/
>
> Mobile: +507-6781-9505
> Work: +507-832-6725
> Work (USA): +1-440-253-9789
>
> Skype: AlexNeuman
>
>
> Don't miss Vida Digital on LiveStream
> <http://new.livestream.com/accounts/5061819>!
>
> Saturdays 8am-10am on 104.3FM Panama
>
>
> Follow *@AlexNeuman <https://twitter.com/alexneuman>* on Twitter
> Like Vida Digital <https://facebook.com/vidadigital/> on Facebook
>
> Follow VidaDigital <http://instagram.com/vidadigital> on Instagram
>
> Subscribe to Vida Digital <https://youtube.com/reliantpty> on Youtube
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Tracy Greggs <mailscanner-list at okla.com>
> wrote:
>
> Milter-Ahead is just a commercial mail filter addon.  It is a 1 time cost
> of
> a little over 100.00 US.  It checks with the exchange box to see if it is a
> valid recipient before MailScanner processes it.  It caches results as
> well.
>
> If we wanted to have a discussion about free and not free, exchange is
> certainly not free.
>
> I was merely trying to point out that in a MailScanner gateway setup for
> exchange, Milter-Ahead works great for making sure the recipient is valid
> on
> the exchange server before any processing.
>
> It really has nothing to do with spam filtering, it just keeps you from
> processing mail with the MailScanner gateway and shipping it to the
> exchange
> box after when it is not a valid recipient on the exchange box in the 1st
> place.
>
> Perhaps you misunderstood the point I was making.
>
> How does graylisting do that or have anything to do with that?
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Mogens
> Melander
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:36 AM
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: RE: New to MailScanner
>
> It's probably just me, but.
>
> Why would the OP need a paid service to do, what his free, and very potent
> gateway, will do for him, in less cycles. Saving him the hassle of dealing
> with a commercial entity, instead of a friendly and helpful user community.
>
>
> A few keywords in google's search box would bring him more helpful
> suggestions than yours.
>
> BTW. I use sendmail too. I use smf graylisting:
>
> http://www.greylisting.org/implementations/sendmail.shtml
>
> https://www.google.dk/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=smf+greylisting+postfix
>
> If it's not postfix friendly, something similar should be easy to find.
>
> Just a brain fart.
>
>
> On Tue, July 29, 2014 20:47, Tracy Greggs wrote:
> > I use sendmail, so someone else can comment on your postfix question.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would make a suggestion to turn on the Exchange antispam feature for
> > recipient checking and run MILTER-AHEAD with your MailScanner MTA.  It
> > is cheap but not free, but well worth the expense.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tracy Greggs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> > [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Greg
> > Ledford
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:49 AM
> > To: 'mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info'
> > Subject: New to MailScanner
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello. Please be kind as I'm still learning the program and I'll have
> > lots of questions. Is there a webpage that lists the instructions to
> > install MailScanner + Postfix if you are using it as a front-end for
> > an Exchange
> > 2010 server? Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg Ledford
> > PHHW Technology Services LLC
> > 1000 Corporate Centre Dr, Ste 200
> > Franklin, TN 37067
> > Office (615) 778-1777
> > Cell (615) 403-6989
> >
> > Fax (615) 771-0081
> > Email  <mailto:gledford at phhwtechnology.com>
>
> > gledford at phhwtechnology.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
> > <http://www.mailscanner.info/> MailScanner, and is believed to be
>
> > clean.
> >
> >
> > --
> > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
> > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
> >
> >
> > --
> > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by
> > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
> >
> > --
> > MailScanner mailing list
> > mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> > http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
> >
> > Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
> >
> > Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
> >
>
>
> --
> Mogens Melander
> +66 8701 33224
>
>
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
> --
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
> --
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>
>
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by *MailScanner* <http://www.mailscanner.info/>, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by *MailScanner* <http://www.mailscanner.info/>, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
> --
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>


-- 
-- Glenn
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 14:02:10 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:02:10 +0200
Subject: Spam rules
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Valentin,

Denis is of course right that you need handle stuff like this in
SpamAssassin.
The reason MailScanner blacklist rules like that don't match is because
they operate solely on the SMTP envelope sender (the "MAIL FROM:<
someone at example.net>" command issued by the sending MTA during the SMTP
conversation). This sender address need have no correlation whatsoever with
the header lines inside the message (From:, Reply-to: etc). The tool for
acting on header/body-lines is, as stated, SpamAssassin.

Cheers
-- 
-- Glenn


On 17 July 2014 14:38, Denis Beauchemin <Denis.Beauchemin at usherbrooke.ca>
wrote:

> This should have gone on separate lines:
>
> Describe MYRULE01 Reply To: someone at somewhere.com
>
> Header MYRULE01 ALL =~ /\bsomeone\@somewhere\.com\b/i
>
> Score MYRULE01 10
>
> Denis
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:
> mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] De la part de Valentin Laskov
> Envoy? : 17 juillet 2014 07:35 ? : MailScanner discussion Objet : Spam rules
>
> Hi all!
>
> I'm receiving spam from (for ex.) someone at somewhere.com . I set this in
> my spam.blacklist.rules:
>
> From:  someone at somewhere.com  yes
>
> but this does not work because someone at somewhere.com is not From: address
> but Replay To: address in the letters headers. From:
> address changes frequently.
>
> How can I mark this as spam ?
>
> Regards!
> Valentin Laskov
>
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>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
> --
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>



-- 
-- Glenn
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 14:50:33 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:50:33 +0200
Subject: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
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Can only agree with Martin and Alex, there is no way around either
splitting mails per recipient (very feasible), or som major rework of both
the MailScanner and mailWatch code (very infeasible).
But I also have to agree that the increase in hardware seem quite
excessive... i suppose you arrived at that figure by analysing the number
of recipients per mail (and frequency of multi-recipient emails)? Well, the
number isn?t everything:-)
Provided you use the normal caching-dns-thingy and also use "Cache
SpamAssassin Results = yes", the actual processing time and resource use
will be minimized (not to mention that the normal batch-processing style of
MailScanner will ... help...:-).
Introducing a "splitting MX" between the internet and your regular
MailScanner hosts should be rather simple, as well as adjusting which
Received: lines your MailScanner hosts should ignore (since they otherwise
will perceive all messages as originating from the "splitting MX" host)...
So why not try that, with the gear you have ATM, and see where that leads
you? Depending on what mailstore hosts you eventually deliver to, the
storage impact should be minimal or even non-existant, since even
M-Sexchange has abandioned "single store" since ... way back... so every
recipient would eventually have their own copy in their own mailbox
anyway;-).

As Alex says, we know nothing about your actual mail volume, but my money
is on there being much less of a problem than you think, even if you do
have ... serious traffic... (more than a few thousand mails/hour). the
likeliest problem point/bottleneck is likely your MailWatch database so...
keep an eye on that one, make sure you run it as InnoDB etc.

Cheers!
-- 
-- Glenn


On 11 July 2014 15:49, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com> wrote:

> Might want to also consider having a more flexible approach as Alex had
> mentioned.
> Will also help with some of the hardware requirements as you can also
> reject non-valid recipients at MTA as well as splitting the emails up, so
> the core MailScanner farm has less to do.
>
> --
> Martin Hepworth, CISSP
> Oxford, UK
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 09:51, Sam Gelbart <samg at synaq.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We at SYNAQ use and have used Mailscanner for many years. As an Email
>> Hygiene provider MailScanner has served us very well.
>> However, as we have grown (very rapidly in the past 6 months, to many
>> more customer domains) we have noticed some deficiencies in MailScanner.
>>
>> Below is a brief description covering our problem areas:
>>
>> Overview
>> The issue has arisen due to SYNAQ's ever growing client base and the fact
>> that we're provisioning more and more customers (and email domains) on our
>> hygiene platform, and that more than one of these customer
>> recipients/domains (and their applicable rulesets) are being addressed in
>> the same email.
>>
>> Problem 1
>> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
>> 2) abc.co.za has quarantining of SPAM configured, while xyz.co.za does
>> not.
>> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
>> user at abc.co.za and abc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and
>> "to_domain".
>> 4) MailScanner determines that the message is SPAM and because it has
>> "chosen" @abc.co.za as the email domain it deletes the message as the
>> configured spam action for @abc.coz.a is to delete.
>> 5) However the rule for xyz.co.za is to store/quarantine spam. This does
>> not happen because of the actions above and data is also never logged via
>> MailWatch.
>> 6) The example above is a based on very simple scenario, and as you are
>> aware this applies to many more complex rulesets (size, File Type etc)
>> across the system.
>>
>> Problem 2
>> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
>> 2) A third party emails both user at abc.co.za and user at xyz.co.za in a
>> single email message.
>> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
>> user at abc.co.za and abc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and
>> "to_domain".
>> 4) When the message is processed, the MailWatch.pm script receives a
>> message object for SQL logging with data only for user at abc.co.za and
>> abc.co.za; xyz.co.za is never logged.
>>
>> Finally we have considered splitting incoming messages by recipient at an
>> MTA level to address this problem, but our calculations show that it would
>> require 3.5x more hardware to process this increased mail load. So for us a
>> MailsScanner solution is ideal.
>>
>> Based on the above, could you tell me if there is anything that can be
>> done from a MailScanner community point of view to help develop MailScanner
>> functionality to address these issues?
>> We'd be very happy to give a nice donation for a fix or patch.
>>
>> Also if the community has any ideas on other ways we can remedy this
>> problem we welcome your feedback.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>> Sam Gelbart
>> SYNAQ
>>
>>
>> --
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>> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>>
>> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>>
>> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>>
>
>
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>
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From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:23:52 +0000
Subject: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
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Does converting the MailWatch databases to InnoDB make a big difference in MailWatch performance?

Just curious.

Phil


From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 05 August 2014 14:51
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Re: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email Recipient

Can only agree with Martin and Alex, there is no way around either splitting mails per recipient (very feasible), or som major rework of both the MailScanner and mailWatch code (very infeasible).
But I also have to agree that the increase in hardware seem quite excessive... i suppose you arrived at that figure by analysing the number of recipients per mail (and frequency of multi-recipient emails)? Well, the number isn?t everything:-)
Provided you use the normal caching-dns-thingy and also use "Cache SpamAssassin Results = yes", the actual processing time and resource use will be minimized (not to mention that the normal batch-processing style of MailScanner will ... help...:-).
Introducing a "splitting MX" between the internet and your regular MailScanner hosts should be rather simple, as well as adjusting which Received: lines your MailScanner hosts should ignore (since they otherwise will perceive all messages as originating from the "splitting MX" host)... So why not try that, with the gear you have ATM, and see where that leads you? Depending on what mailstore hosts you eventually deliver to, the storage impact should be minimal or even non-existant, since even M-Sexchange has abandioned "single store" since ... way back... so every recipient would eventually have their own copy in their own mailbox anyway;-).

As Alex says, we know nothing about your actual mail volume, but my money is on there being much less of a problem than you think, even if you do have ... serious traffic... (more than a few thousand mails/hour). the likeliest problem point/bottleneck is likely your MailWatch database so... keep an eye on that one, make sure you run it as InnoDB etc.

Cheers!
--
-- Glenn

On 11 July 2014 15:49, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com<mailto:maxsec at gmail.com>> wrote:
Might want to also consider having a more flexible approach as Alex had mentioned.
Will also help with some of the hardware requirements as you can also reject non-valid recipients at MTA as well as splitting the emails up, so the core MailScanner farm has less to do.

--
Martin Hepworth, CISSP
Oxford, UK

On 11 July 2014 09:51, Sam Gelbart <samg at synaq.com<mailto:samg at synaq.com>> wrote:
Hi All,

We at SYNAQ use and have used Mailscanner for many years. As an Email Hygiene provider MailScanner has served us very well.
However, as we have grown (very rapidly in the past 6 months, to many more customer domains) we have noticed some deficiencies in MailScanner.

Below is a brief description covering our problem areas:

Overview
The issue has arisen due to SYNAQ's ever growing client base and the fact that we're provisioning more and more customers (and email domains) on our hygiene platform, and that more than one of these customer recipients/domains (and their applicable rulesets) are being addressed in the same email.

Problem 1
1) abc.co.za<http://abc.co.za> and xyz.co.za<http://xyz.co.za> are both provisioned on our platform.
2) abc.co.za<http://abc.co.za> has quarantining of SPAM configured, while xyz.co.za<http://xyz.co.za> does not.
3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses" user at abc.co.za<mailto:user at abc.co.za> and abc.co.za<http://abc.co.za> as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
4) MailScanner determines that the message is SPAM and because it has "chosen" @abc.co.za<http://abc.co.za> as the email domain it deletes the message as the configured spam action for @abc.coz.a is to delete.
5) However the rule for xyz.co.za<http://xyz.co.za> is to store/quarantine spam. This does not happen because of the actions above and data is also never logged via MailWatch.
6) The example above is a based on very simple scenario, and as you are aware this applies to many more complex rulesets (size, File Type etc) across the system.

Problem 2
1) abc.co.za<http://abc.co.za> and xyz.co.za<http://xyz.co.za> are both provisioned on our platform.
2) A third party emails both user at abc.co.za<mailto:user at abc.co.za> and user at xyz.co.za<mailto:user at xyz.co.za> in a single email message.
3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses" user at abc.co.za<mailto:user at abc.co.za> and abc.co.za<http://abc.co.za> as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
4) When the message is processed, the MailWatch.pm script receives a message object for SQL logging with data only for user at abc.co.za<mailto:user at abc.co.za> and abc.co.za<http://abc.co.za>; xyz.co.za<http://xyz.co.za> is never logged.

Finally we have considered splitting incoming messages by recipient at an MTA level to address this problem, but our calculations show that it would require 3.5x more hardware to process this increased mail load. So for us a MailsScanner solution is ideal.

Based on the above, could you tell me if there is anything that can be done from a MailScanner community point of view to help develop MailScanner functionality to address these issues?
We'd be very happy to give a nice donation for a fix or patch.

Also if the community has any ideas on other ways we can remedy this problem we welcome your feedback.

Thanks and regards,

Sam Gelbart
SYNAQ


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From jerry.benton at mailborder.com  Tue Aug  5 16:16:36 2014
From: jerry.benton at mailborder.com (Jerry Benton)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 11:16:36 -0400
Subject: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
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Based on Mailborder design and testing, which the DB structure of Mailwatch is very similar, MyISAM has better performance when you start hitting millions of records.

-
Jerry Benton
www.mailborder.com

On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:

> Does converting the MailWatch databases to InnoDB make a big difference in MailWatch performance?
>  
> Just curious.
>  
> Phil
>  
>  
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
> Sent: 05 August 2014 14:51
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: Re: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email Recipient
>  
> Can only agree with Martin and Alex, there is no way around either splitting mails per recipient (very feasible), or som major rework of both the MailScanner and mailWatch code (very infeasible).
> But I also have to agree that the increase in hardware seem quite excessive... i suppose you arrived at that figure by analysing the number of recipients per mail (and frequency of multi-recipient emails)? Well, the number isn?t everything:-)
> Provided you use the normal caching-dns-thingy and also use "Cache SpamAssassin Results = yes", the actual processing time and resource use will be minimized (not to mention that the normal batch-processing style of MailScanner will ... help...:-).
> Introducing a "splitting MX" between the internet and your regular MailScanner hosts should be rather simple, as well as adjusting which Received: lines your MailScanner hosts should ignore (since they otherwise will perceive all messages as originating from the "splitting MX" host)... So why not try that, with the gear you have ATM, and see where that leads you? Depending on what mailstore hosts you eventually deliver to, the storage impact should be minimal or even non-existant, since even M-Sexchange has abandioned "single store" since ... way back... so every recipient would eventually have their own copy in their own mailbox anyway;-).
>  
> As Alex says, we know nothing about your actual mail volume, but my money is on there being much less of a problem than you think, even if you do have ... serious traffic... (more than a few thousand mails/hour). the likeliest problem point/bottleneck is likely your MailWatch database so... keep an eye on that one, make sure you run it as InnoDB etc.
>  
> Cheers!
> -- 
> -- Glenn
>  
> 
> On 11 July 2014 15:49, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com> wrote:
> Might want to also consider having a more flexible approach as Alex had mentioned.
> Will also help with some of the hardware requirements as you can also reject non-valid recipients at MTA as well as splitting the emails up, so the core MailScanner farm has less to do.
> 
> -- 
> Martin Hepworth, CISSP
> Oxford, UK
>  
> 
> On 11 July 2014 09:51, Sam Gelbart <samg at synaq.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> We at SYNAQ use and have used Mailscanner for many years. As an Email Hygiene provider MailScanner has served us very well.
> However, as we have grown (very rapidly in the past 6 months, to many more customer domains) we have noticed some deficiencies in MailScanner.
> 
> Below is a brief description covering our problem areas:
> 
> Overview
> The issue has arisen due to SYNAQ's ever growing client base and the fact that we're provisioning more and more customers (and email domains) on our hygiene platform, and that more than one of these customer recipients/domains (and their applicable rulesets) are being addressed in the same email.
> 
> Problem 1
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) abc.co.za has quarantining of SPAM configured, while xyz.co.za does not.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses" user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
> 4) MailScanner determines that the message is SPAM and because it has "chosen" @abc.co.za as the email domain it deletes the message as the configured spam action for @abc.coz.a is to delete.
> 5) However the rule for xyz.co.za is to store/quarantine spam. This does not happen because of the actions above and data is also never logged via MailWatch.
> 6) The example above is a based on very simple scenario, and as you are aware this applies to many more complex rulesets (size, File Type etc) across the system.
> 
> Problem 2
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) A third party emails both user at abc.co.za and user at xyz.co.za in a single email message.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses" user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
> 4) When the message is processed, the MailWatch.pm script receives a message object for SQL logging with data only for user at abc.co.za and abc.co.za; xyz.co.za is never logged.
> 
> Finally we have considered splitting incoming messages by recipient at an MTA level to address this problem, but our calculations show that it would require 3.5x more hardware to process this increased mail load. So for us a MailsScanner solution is ideal.
> 
> Based on the above, could you tell me if there is anything that can be done from a MailScanner community point of view to help develop MailScanner functionality to address these issues?
> We'd be very happy to give a nice donation for a fix or patch.
> 
> Also if the community has any ideas on other ways we can remedy this problem we welcome your feedback.
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> 
> Sam Gelbart
> SYNAQ
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
>  
> -- 
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 16:19:01 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:19:01 +0200
Subject: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
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IMO yes:-)
i suppose it all depends... For most, who keep their databases nice and
small and ... tidy... It likely doesn't matter that much. I did have some
figures from way back, but can't seem to find them (not that surprising,
we're talking years:-). But if you have a vast number of messages needing
to be logged every day... well, I've been told that it can make all the
difference in the world. then again, if you're in that kind of situatuion,
centralized database logging is probably not a good idea anyway;-).

Cheers
-- 
-- Glenn


On 5 August 2014 16:23, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:

>  Does converting the MailWatch databases to InnoDB make a big difference
> in MailWatch performance?
>
>
>
> Just curious.
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:
> mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Steen
> *Sent:* 05 August 2014 14:51
> *To:* MailScanner discussion
> *Subject:* Re: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
> Recipient
>
>
>
> Can only agree with Martin and Alex, there is no way around either
> splitting mails per recipient (very feasible), or som major rework of both
> the MailScanner and mailWatch code (very infeasible).
>
> But I also have to agree that the increase in hardware seem quite
> excessive... i suppose you arrived at that figure by analysing the number
> of recipients per mail (and frequency of multi-recipient emails)? Well, the
> number isn?t everything:-)
>
> Provided you use the normal caching-dns-thingy and also use "Cache
> SpamAssassin Results = yes", the actual processing time and resource use
> will be minimized (not to mention that the normal batch-processing style of
> MailScanner will ... help...:-).
>
> Introducing a "splitting MX" between the internet and your regular
> MailScanner hosts should be rather simple, as well as adjusting which
> Received: lines your MailScanner hosts should ignore (since they otherwise
> will perceive all messages as originating from the "splitting MX" host)...
> So why not try that, with the gear you have ATM, and see where that leads
> you? Depending on what mailstore hosts you eventually deliver to, the
> storage impact should be minimal or even non-existant, since even
> M-Sexchange has abandioned "single store" since ... way back... so every
> recipient would eventually have their own copy in their own mailbox
> anyway;-).
>
>
>
> As Alex says, we know nothing about your actual mail volume, but my money
> is on there being much less of a problem than you think, even if you do
> have ... serious traffic... (more than a few thousand mails/hour). the
> likeliest problem point/bottleneck is likely your MailWatch database so...
> keep an eye on that one, make sure you run it as InnoDB etc.
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> --
>
> -- Glenn
>
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 15:49, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Might want to also consider having a more flexible approach as Alex had
> mentioned.
>
> Will also help with some of the hardware requirements as you can also
> reject non-valid recipients at MTA as well as splitting the emails up, so
> the core MailScanner farm has less to do.
>
>
>  --
> Martin Hepworth, CISSP
> Oxford, UK
>
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 09:51, Sam Gelbart <samg at synaq.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> We at SYNAQ use and have used Mailscanner for many years. As an Email
> Hygiene provider MailScanner has served us very well.
> However, as we have grown (very rapidly in the past 6 months, to many more
> customer domains) we have noticed some deficiencies in MailScanner.
>
> Below is a brief description covering our problem areas:
>
> Overview
> The issue has arisen due to SYNAQ's ever growing client base and the fact
> that we're provisioning more and more customers (and email domains) on our
> hygiene platform, and that more than one of these customer
> recipients/domains (and their applicable rulesets) are being addressed in
> the same email.
>
> Problem 1
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) abc.co.za has quarantining of SPAM configured, while xyz.co.za does
> not.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
> user at abc.co.za and abc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and
> "to_domain".
> 4) MailScanner determines that the message is SPAM and because it has
> "chosen" @abc.co.za as the email domain it deletes the message as the
> configured spam action for @abc.coz.a is to delete.
> 5) However the rule for xyz.co.za is to store/quarantine spam. This does
> not happen because of the actions above and data is also never logged via
> MailWatch.
> 6) The example above is a based on very simple scenario, and as you are
> aware this applies to many more complex rulesets (size, File Type etc)
> across the system.
>
> Problem 2
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) A third party emails both user at abc.co.za and user at xyz.co.za in a
> single email message.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
> user at abc.co.za and abc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and
> "to_domain".
> 4) When the message is processed, the MailWatch.pm script receives a
> message object for SQL logging with data only for user at abc.co.za and
> abc.co.za; xyz.co.za is never logged.
>
> Finally we have considered splitting incoming messages by recipient at an
> MTA level to address this problem, but our calculations show that it would
> require 3.5x more hardware to process this increased mail load. So for us a
> MailsScanner solution is ideal.
>
> Based on the above, could you tell me if there is anything that can be
> done from a MailScanner community point of view to help develop MailScanner
> functionality to address these issues?
> We'd be very happy to give a nice donation for a fix or patch.
>
> Also if the community has any ideas on other ways we can remedy this
> problem we welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Sam Gelbart
> SYNAQ
>
>
> --
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>
>
>
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> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> -- Glenn
> email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
> work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
>  Hoople Ltd, Registered in England and Wales No. 7556595
> Registered office: Plough Lane, Hereford, HR4 0LE
>
> "Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of
> the individual and not necessarily those of Hoople Ltd. You should be aware
> that Hoople Ltd. monitors its email service. This e-mail and any attached
> files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee.
> This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed
> on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in
> error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or
> copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all
> copies of it."
>
> --
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>
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>
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>


-- 
-- Glenn
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From jerry.benton at mailborder.com  Tue Aug  5 16:27:27 2014
From: jerry.benton at mailborder.com (Jerry Benton)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 11:27:27 -0400
Subject: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
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Caveat: You should partition the database by time. This is the Mailborder cp_maillog, which is slightly different than MailWatch, but the bit near the end is what you are looking for. You can adapt it for your table with an alter statement. 


CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `cp_maillog` (
  `db_id` bigint(20) unsigned NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
  `timestamp` timestamp NULL DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP ON UPDATE CURRENT_TIMESTAMP,
  `id` varchar(30) NOT NULL,
  `size` bigint(20) DEFAULT '0',
  `from_address` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
  `from_domain` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
  `to_address` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
  `to_domain` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
  `subject` text CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci,
  `clientip` varchar(15) DEFAULT NULL,
  `archive` varchar(100) DEFAULT NULL,
  `isspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `ishighspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `issaspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `isrblspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `spamwhitelisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `spamblacklisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `sascore` decimal(7,2) DEFAULT '0.00',
  `spamreport` text,
  `virusinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `nameinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `sizeinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `otherinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `report` text,
  `ismcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `ishighmcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `issamcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `mcpwhitelisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `mcpblacklisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `mcpsascore` decimal(7,2) DEFAULT '0.00',
  `mcpreport` text,
  `hostname` varchar(100) DEFAULT NULL,
  `date` date NOT NULL DEFAULT '0000-00-00',
  `time` time DEFAULT NULL,
  `headers` text,
  `quarantined` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `released` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
  `guid` varchar(40) NOT NULL,
  PRIMARY KEY (`db_id`,`date`),
  KEY `id` (`id`),
  KEY `timestamp` (`timestamp`),
  KEY `from_address` (`from_address`),
  KEY `from_domain` (`from_domain`),
  KEY `to_address` (`to_address`),
  KEY `to_domain` (`to_domain`),
  KEY `guid` (`guid`),
  KEY `isspam` (`isspam`),
  KEY `ishighspam` (`ishighspam`),
  KEY `issaspam` (`issaspam`),
  KEY `isrblspam` (`isrblspam`),
  KEY `spamwhitelisted` (`spamwhitelisted`),
  KEY `spamblacklisted` (`spamblacklisted`),
  KEY `virusinfected` (`virusinfected`),
  KEY `nameinfected` (`nameinfected`),
  KEY `otherinfected` (`otherinfected`),
  KEY `quarantined` (`quarantined`),
  KEY `sizeinfected` (`sizeinfected`),
  KEY `ismcp` (`ismcp`),
  KEY `ishighmcp` (`ishighmcp`),
  KEY `issamcp` (`issamcp`),
  KEY `mcpwhitelisted` (`mcpwhitelisted`),
  KEY `mcpblacklisted` (`mcpblacklisted`),
  KEY `released` (`released`),
  KEY `size` (`size`)
) ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 PARTITION BY HASH (( YEAR(`date`) + MONTH(`date`) )) PARTITIONS 70;


-
Jerry Benton
www.mailborder.com

On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com> wrote:

> Based on Mailborder design and testing, which the DB structure of Mailwatch is very similar, MyISAM has better performance when you start hitting millions of records.
> 
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
> 
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Does converting the MailWatch databases to InnoDB make a big difference in MailWatch performance?
>>  
>> Just curious.
>>  
>> Phil
>>  
>>  
>> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
>> Sent: 05 August 2014 14:51
>> To: MailScanner discussion
>> Subject: Re: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email Recipient
>>  
>> Can only agree with Martin and Alex, there is no way around either splitting mails per recipient (very feasible), or som major rework of both the MailScanner and mailWatch code (very infeasible).
>> But I also have to agree that the increase in hardware seem quite excessive... i suppose you arrived at that figure by analysing the number of recipients per mail (and frequency of multi-recipient emails)? Well, the number isn?t everything:-)
>> Provided you use the normal caching-dns-thingy and also use "Cache SpamAssassin Results = yes", the actual processing time and resource use will be minimized (not to mention that the normal batch-processing style of MailScanner will ... help...:-).
>> Introducing a "splitting MX" between the internet and your regular MailScanner hosts should be rather simple, as well as adjusting which Received: lines your MailScanner hosts should ignore (since they otherwise will perceive all messages as originating from the "splitting MX" host)... So why not try that, with the gear you have ATM, and see where that leads you? Depending on what mailstore hosts you eventually deliver to, the storage impact should be minimal or even non-existant, since even M-Sexchange has abandioned "single store" since ... way back... so every recipient would eventually have their own copy in their own mailbox anyway;-).
>>  
>> As Alex says, we know nothing about your actual mail volume, but my money is on there being much less of a problem than you think, even if you do have ... serious traffic... (more than a few thousand mails/hour). the likeliest problem point/bottleneck is likely your MailWatch database so... keep an eye on that one, make sure you run it as InnoDB etc.
>>  
>> Cheers!
>> -- 
>> -- Glenn
>>  
>> 
>> On 11 July 2014 15:49, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Might want to also consider having a more flexible approach as Alex had mentioned.
>> Will also help with some of the hardware requirements as you can also reject non-valid recipients at MTA as well as splitting the emails up, so the core MailScanner farm has less to do.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Martin Hepworth, CISSP
>> Oxford, UK
>>  
>> 
>> On 11 July 2014 09:51, Sam Gelbart <samg at synaq.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> We at SYNAQ use and have used Mailscanner for many years. As an Email Hygiene provider MailScanner has served us very well.
>> However, as we have grown (very rapidly in the past 6 months, to many more customer domains) we have noticed some deficiencies in MailScanner.
>> 
>> Below is a brief description covering our problem areas:
>> 
>> Overview
>> The issue has arisen due to SYNAQ's ever growing client base and the fact that we're provisioning more and more customers (and email domains) on our hygiene platform, and that more than one of these customer recipients/domains (and their applicable rulesets) are being addressed in the same email.
>> 
>> Problem 1
>> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
>> 2) abc.co.za has quarantining of SPAM configured, while xyz.co.za does not.
>> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses" user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
>> 4) MailScanner determines that the message is SPAM and because it has "chosen" @abc.co.za as the email domain it deletes the message as the configured spam action for @abc.coz.a is to delete.
>> 5) However the rule for xyz.co.za is to store/quarantine spam. This does not happen because of the actions above and data is also never logged via MailWatch.
>> 6) The example above is a based on very simple scenario, and as you are aware this applies to many more complex rulesets (size, File Type etc) across the system.
>> 
>> Problem 2
>> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
>> 2) A third party emails both user at abc.co.za and user at xyz.co.za in a single email message.
>> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses" user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
>> 4) When the message is processed, the MailWatch.pm script receives a message object for SQL logging with data only for user at abc.co.za and abc.co.za; xyz.co.za is never logged.
>> 
>> Finally we have considered splitting incoming messages by recipient at an MTA level to address this problem, but our calculations show that it would require 3.5x more hardware to process this increased mail load. So for us a MailsScanner solution is ideal.
>> 
>> Based on the above, could you tell me if there is anything that can be done from a MailScanner community point of view to help develop MailScanner functionality to address these issues?
>> We'd be very happy to give a nice donation for a fix or patch.
>> 
>> Also if the community has any ideas on other ways we can remedy this problem we welcome your feedback.
>> 
>> Thanks and regards,
>> 
>> Sam Gelbart
>> SYNAQ
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> MailScanner mailing list
>> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>> 
>> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>> 
>> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> MailScanner mailing list
>> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>> 
>> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>> 
>> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> -- 
>> -- Glenn
>> email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
>> work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
>> Hoople Ltd, Registered in England and Wales No. 7556595
>> Registered office: Plough Lane, Hereford, HR4 0LE
>> 
>> "Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Hoople Ltd. You should be aware that Hoople Ltd. monitors its email service. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it." -- 
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>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
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>> 
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 18:33:50 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 19:33:50 +0200
Subject: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
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Really? Perhaps time for a revision of my strategy then:-)
Anyway, it isva minor point... The main one being to keep track of the
performance of the one thing where splitting mails per recipients will
definitely have an impact... Then again, even that is not an issue if the
volume is low (say 10-20000/day), in which case the OP simply should go
ahead (unless the the MS host(s) are horrendously underpowered;-).

But good to know, thank you Jerry!

Cheers!
-- 
-- Glenn
Den 5 aug 2014 17:53 skrev "Jerry Benton" <jerry.benton at mailborder.com>:

> Based on Mailborder design and testing, which the DB structure of
> Mailwatch is very similar, MyISAM has better performance when you start
> hitting millions of records.
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Does converting the MailWatch databases to InnoDB make a big difference in
> MailWatch performance?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Phil
>
>
> *From:* mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [
> mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> <mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info>] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Steen
> *Sent:* 05 August 2014 14:51
> *To:* MailScanner discussion
> *Subject:* Re: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
> Recipient
>
> Can only agree with Martin and Alex, there is no way around either
> splitting mails per recipient (very feasible), or som major rework of both
> the MailScanner and mailWatch code (very infeasible).
> But I also have to agree that the increase in hardware seem quite
> excessive... i suppose you arrived at that figure by analysing the number
> of recipients per mail (and frequency of multi-recipient emails)? Well, the
> number isn?t everything:-)
> Provided you use the normal caching-dns-thingy and also use "Cache
> SpamAssassin Results = yes", the actual processing time and resource use
> will be minimized (not to mention that the normal batch-processing style of
> MailScanner will ... help...:-).
> Introducing a "splitting MX" between the internet and your regular
> MailScanner hosts should be rather simple, as well as adjusting which
> Received: lines your MailScanner hosts should ignore (since they otherwise
> will perceive all messages as originating from the "splitting MX" host)...
> So why not try that, with the gear you have ATM, and see where that leads
> you? Depending on what mailstore hosts you eventually deliver to, the
> storage impact should be minimal or even non-existant, since even
> M-Sexchange has abandioned "single store" since ... way back... so every
> recipient would eventually have their own copy in their own mailbox
> anyway;-).
>
> As Alex says, we know nothing about your actual mail volume, but my money
> is on there being much less of a problem than you think, even if you do
> have ... serious traffic... (more than a few thousand mails/hour). the
> likeliest problem point/bottleneck is likely your MailWatch database so...
> keep an eye on that one, make sure you run it as InnoDB etc.
>
> Cheers!
> --
> -- Glenn
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 15:49, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com> wrote:
> Might want to also consider having a more flexible approach as Alex had
> mentioned.
> Will also help with some of the hardware requirements as you can also
> reject non-valid recipients at MTA as well as splitting the emails up, so
> the core MailScanner farm has less to do.
>
> --
> Martin Hepworth, CISSP
> Oxford, UK
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 09:51, Sam Gelbart <samg at synaq.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We at SYNAQ use and have used Mailscanner for many years. As an Email
> Hygiene provider MailScanner has served us very well.
> However, as we have grown (very rapidly in the past 6 months, to many more
> customer domains) we have noticed some deficiencies in MailScanner.
>
> Below is a brief description covering our problem areas:
>
> Overview
> The issue has arisen due to SYNAQ's ever growing client base and the fact
> that we're provisioning more and more customers (and email domains) on our
> hygiene platform, and that more than one of these customer
> recipients/domains (and their applicable rulesets) are being addressed in
> the same email.
>
> Problem 1
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) abc.co.za has quarantining of SPAM configured, while xyz.co.za does
> not.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
> user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
> 4) MailScanner determines that the message is SPAM and because it has
> "chosen" @abc.co.za as the email domain it deletes the message as the
> configured spam action for @abc.coz.a is to delete.
> 5) However the rule for xyz.co.za is to store/quarantine spam. This does
> not happen because of the actions above and data is also never logged via
> MailWatch.
> 6) The example above is a based on very simple scenario, and as you are
> aware this applies to many more complex rulesets (size, File Type etc)
> across the system.
>
> Problem 2
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) A third party emails both user at abc.co.za and user at xyz.co.za in a
> single email message.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
> user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
> 4) When the message is processed, the MailWatch.pm script receives a
> message object for SQL logging with data only for user at abc.co.za and
> abc.co.za; xyz.co.za is never logged.
>
> Finally we have considered splitting incoming messages by recipient at an
> MTA level to address this problem, but our calculations show that it would
> require 3.5x more hardware to process this increased mail load. So for us a
> MailsScanner solution is ideal.
>
> Based on the above, could you tell me if there is anything that can be
> done from a MailScanner community point of view to help develop MailScanner
> functionality to address these issues?
> We'd be very happy to give a nice donation for a fix or patch.
>
> Also if the community has any ideas on other ways we can remedy this
> problem we welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Sam Gelbart
> SYNAQ
>
>
> --
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>
>
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>
>
> --
> -- Glenn
> email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
> work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
> Hoople Ltd, Registered in England and Wales No. 7556595
> Registered office: Plough Lane, Hereford, HR4 0LE
>
> "Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of
> the individual and not necessarily those of Hoople Ltd. You should be aware
> that Hoople Ltd. monitors its email service. This e-mail and any attached
> files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee.
> This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed
> on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in
> error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or
> copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all
> copies of it." --
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>
>
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> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
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>
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From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 19:43:24 +0200
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Ah, that explains it! In reality, you work with a set of rather small
database files, which of course has a lot of impact on timeebased (and
indeed most!:-) queries... A very sensible design (that wasn't possible for
Steve F at the inseption even of MaiLWatch 1.0:-) and probably not that
much work implementing in my old setup (I confess, I've been...  slow... in
adapting to the latest/greatest:-).
If/when time permits experimentation...:-)

Cheers!
-- 
-- Glenn
Den 5 aug 2014 17:58 skrev "Jerry Benton" <jerry.benton at mailborder.com>:

> Caveat: You should partition the database by time. This is the Mailborder
> cp_maillog, which is slightly different than MailWatch, but the bit near
> the end is what you are looking for. You can adapt it for your table with
> an alter statement.
>
>
> CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `cp_maillog` (
>   `db_id` bigint(20) unsigned NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
>   `timestamp` timestamp NULL DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP ON UPDATE
> CURRENT_TIMESTAMP,
>   `id` varchar(30) NOT NULL,
>   `size` bigint(20) DEFAULT '0',
>   `from_address` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `from_domain` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `to_address` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `to_domain` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `subject` text CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci,
>   `clientip` varchar(15) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `archive` varchar(100) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `isspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `ishighspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `issaspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `isrblspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `spamwhitelisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `spamblacklisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `sascore` decimal(7,2) DEFAULT '0.00',
>   `spamreport` text,
>   `virusinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `nameinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `sizeinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `otherinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `report` text,
>   `ismcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `ishighmcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `issamcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `mcpwhitelisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `mcpblacklisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `mcpsascore` decimal(7,2) DEFAULT '0.00',
>   `mcpreport` text,
>   `hostname` varchar(100) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `date` date NOT NULL DEFAULT '0000-00-00',
>   `time` time DEFAULT NULL,
>   `headers` text,
>   `quarantined` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `released` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `guid` varchar(40) NOT NULL,
>   PRIMARY KEY (`db_id`,`date`),
>   KEY `id` (`id`),
>   KEY `timestamp` (`timestamp`),
>   KEY `from_address` (`from_address`),
>   KEY `from_domain` (`from_domain`),
>   KEY `to_address` (`to_address`),
>   KEY `to_domain` (`to_domain`),
>   KEY `guid` (`guid`),
>   KEY `isspam` (`isspam`),
>   KEY `ishighspam` (`ishighspam`),
>   KEY `issaspam` (`issaspam`),
>   KEY `isrblspam` (`isrblspam`),
>   KEY `spamwhitelisted` (`spamwhitelisted`),
>   KEY `spamblacklisted` (`spamblacklisted`),
>   KEY `virusinfected` (`virusinfected`),
>   KEY `nameinfected` (`nameinfected`),
>   KEY `otherinfected` (`otherinfected`),
>   KEY `quarantined` (`quarantined`),
>   KEY `sizeinfected` (`sizeinfected`),
>   KEY `ismcp` (`ismcp`),
>   KEY `ishighmcp` (`ishighmcp`),
>   KEY `issamcp` (`issamcp`),
>   KEY `mcpwhitelisted` (`mcpwhitelisted`),
>   KEY `mcpblacklisted` (`mcpblacklisted`),
>   KEY `released` (`released`),
>   KEY `size` (`size`)
> ) ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 PARTITION BY HASH (( YEAR(`date`) +
> MONTH(`date`) )) PARTITIONS 70;
>
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com>
> wrote:
>
> Based on Mailborder design and testing, which the DB structure of
> Mailwatch is very similar, MyISAM has better performance when you start
> hitting millions of records.
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Does converting the MailWatch databases to InnoDB make a big difference in
> MailWatch performance?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Phil
>
>
> *From:* mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [
> mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> <mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info>] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Steen
> *Sent:* 05 August 2014 14:51
> *To:* MailScanner discussion
> *Subject:* Re: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
> Recipient
>
> Can only agree with Martin and Alex, there is no way around either
> splitting mails per recipient (very feasible), or som major rework of both
> the MailScanner and mailWatch code (very infeasible).
> But I also have to agree that the increase in hardware seem quite
> excessive... i suppose you arrived at that figure by analysing the number
> of recipients per mail (and frequency of multi-recipient emails)? Well, the
> number isn?t everything:-)
> Provided you use the normal caching-dns-thingy and also use "Cache
> SpamAssassin Results = yes", the actual processing time and resource use
> will be minimized (not to mention that the normal batch-processing style of
> MailScanner will ... help...:-).
> Introducing a "splitting MX" between the internet and your regular
> MailScanner hosts should be rather simple, as well as adjusting which
> Received: lines your MailScanner hosts should ignore (since they otherwise
> will perceive all messages as originating from the "splitting MX" host)...
> So why not try that, with the gear you have ATM, and see where that leads
> you? Depending on what mailstore hosts you eventually deliver to, the
> storage impact should be minimal or even non-existant, since even
> M-Sexchange has abandioned "single store" since ... way back... so every
> recipient would eventually have their own copy in their own mailbox
> anyway;-).
>
> As Alex says, we know nothing about your actual mail volume, but my money
> is on there being much less of a problem than you think, even if you do
> have ... serious traffic... (more than a few thousand mails/hour). the
> likeliest problem point/bottleneck is likely your MailWatch database so...
> keep an eye on that one, make sure you run it as InnoDB etc.
>
> Cheers!
> --
> -- Glenn
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 15:49, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com> wrote:
> Might want to also consider having a more flexible approach as Alex had
> mentioned.
> Will also help with some of the hardware requirements as you can also
> reject non-valid recipients at MTA as well as splitting the emails up, so
> the core MailScanner farm has less to do.
>
> --
> Martin Hepworth, CISSP
> Oxford, UK
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 09:51, Sam Gelbart <samg at synaq.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We at SYNAQ use and have used Mailscanner for many years. As an Email
> Hygiene provider MailScanner has served us very well.
> However, as we have grown (very rapidly in the past 6 months, to many more
> customer domains) we have noticed some deficiencies in MailScanner.
>
> Below is a brief description covering our problem areas:
>
> Overview
> The issue has arisen due to SYNAQ's ever growing client base and the fact
> that we're provisioning more and more customers (and email domains) on our
> hygiene platform, and that more than one of these customer
> recipients/domains (and their applicable rulesets) are being addressed in
> the same email.
>
> Problem 1
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) abc.co.za has quarantining of SPAM configured, while xyz.co.za does
> not.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
> user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
> 4) MailScanner determines that the message is SPAM and because it has
> "chosen" @abc.co.za as the email domain it deletes the message as the
> configured spam action for @abc.coz.a is to delete.
> 5) However the rule for xyz.co.za is to store/quarantine spam. This does
> not happen because of the actions above and data is also never logged via
> MailWatch.
> 6) The example above is a based on very simple scenario, and as you are
> aware this applies to many more complex rulesets (size, File Type etc)
> across the system.
>
> Problem 2
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) A third party emails both user at abc.co.za and user at xyz.co.za in a
> single email message.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
> user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
> 4) When the message is processed, the MailWatch.pm script receives a
> message object for SQL logging with data only for user at abc.co.za and
> abc.co.za; xyz.co.za is never logged.
>
> Finally we have considered splitting incoming messages by recipient at an
> MTA level to address this problem, but our calculations show that it would
> require 3.5x more hardware to process this increased mail load. So for us a
> MailsScanner solution is ideal.
>
> Based on the above, could you tell me if there is anything that can be
> done from a MailScanner community point of view to help develop MailScanner
> functionality to address these issues?
> We'd be very happy to give a nice donation for a fix or patch.
>
> Also if the community has any ideas on other ways we can remedy this
> problem we welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Sam Gelbart
> SYNAQ
>
>
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From: jerry.benton at mailborder.com (Jerry Benton)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:06:40 -0400
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From Baron Schwartz the author of High Performance MySQL:

"The reason is very simple. When you insert a row into MyISAM, it just puts it into the server's memory and hopes that the server will flush it to disk at some point in the future. Good luck if the server crashes.

When you insert a row into InnoDB it syncs the transaction durably to disk, and that requires it to wait for the disk to spin. Do the math on your system and see how long that takes.

You can improve this by relaxing innodb_flush_log_at_trx_commit or by batching rows within a transaction instead of doing one transaction per row."


In short, myisam is faster for inserts but InnoDB is more reliable. All of that ACID compliance and transaction rollback comes with an overhead cost. InnoDB also provides row level locking instead of table level like myisam and InnoDB can automatically recover from crashes. So, if you want reliability over performance, go with InnoDB. If you want faster inserts and quite often faster search results, go with MyISAM. 

These are mail logs and not bank records. But I suppose the level of important is relative.


-
Jerry Benton
www.mailborder.com

On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com> wrote:

> Caveat: You should partition the database by time. This is the Mailborder cp_maillog, which is slightly different than MailWatch, but the bit near the end is what you are looking for. You can adapt it for your table with an alter statement. 
> 
> 
> CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `cp_maillog` (
>   `db_id` bigint(20) unsigned NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
>   `timestamp` timestamp NULL DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP ON UPDATE CURRENT_TIMESTAMP,
>   `id` varchar(30) NOT NULL,
>   `size` bigint(20) DEFAULT '0',
>   `from_address` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `from_domain` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `to_address` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `to_domain` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `subject` text CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci,
>   `clientip` varchar(15) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `archive` varchar(100) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `isspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `ishighspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `issaspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `isrblspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `spamwhitelisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `spamblacklisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `sascore` decimal(7,2) DEFAULT '0.00',
>   `spamreport` text,
>   `virusinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `nameinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `sizeinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `otherinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `report` text,
>   `ismcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `ishighmcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `issamcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `mcpwhitelisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `mcpblacklisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `mcpsascore` decimal(7,2) DEFAULT '0.00',
>   `mcpreport` text,
>   `hostname` varchar(100) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `date` date NOT NULL DEFAULT '0000-00-00',
>   `time` time DEFAULT NULL,
>   `headers` text,
>   `quarantined` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `released` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `guid` varchar(40) NOT NULL,
>   PRIMARY KEY (`db_id`,`date`),
>   KEY `id` (`id`),
>   KEY `timestamp` (`timestamp`),
>   KEY `from_address` (`from_address`),
>   KEY `from_domain` (`from_domain`),
>   KEY `to_address` (`to_address`),
>   KEY `to_domain` (`to_domain`),
>   KEY `guid` (`guid`),
>   KEY `isspam` (`isspam`),
>   KEY `ishighspam` (`ishighspam`),
>   KEY `issaspam` (`issaspam`),
>   KEY `isrblspam` (`isrblspam`),
>   KEY `spamwhitelisted` (`spamwhitelisted`),
>   KEY `spamblacklisted` (`spamblacklisted`),
>   KEY `virusinfected` (`virusinfected`),
>   KEY `nameinfected` (`nameinfected`),
>   KEY `otherinfected` (`otherinfected`),
>   KEY `quarantined` (`quarantined`),
>   KEY `sizeinfected` (`sizeinfected`),
>   KEY `ismcp` (`ismcp`),
>   KEY `ishighmcp` (`ishighmcp`),
>   KEY `issamcp` (`issamcp`),
>   KEY `mcpwhitelisted` (`mcpwhitelisted`),
>   KEY `mcpblacklisted` (`mcpblacklisted`),
>   KEY `released` (`released`),
>   KEY `size` (`size`)
> ) ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 PARTITION BY HASH (( YEAR(`date`) + MONTH(`date`) )) PARTITIONS 70;
> 
> 
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
> 
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com> wrote:
> 
>> Based on Mailborder design and testing, which the DB structure of Mailwatch is very similar, MyISAM has better performance when you start hitting millions of records.
>> 
>> -
>> Jerry Benton
>> www.mailborder.com
>> 
>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Does converting the MailWatch databases to InnoDB make a big difference in MailWatch performance?
>>>  
>>> Just curious.
>>>  
>>> Phil
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
>>> Sent: 05 August 2014 14:51
>>> To: MailScanner discussion
>>> Subject: Re: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email Recipient
>>>  
>>> Can only agree with Martin and Alex, there is no way around either splitting mails per recipient (very feasible), or som major rework of both the MailScanner and mailWatch code (very infeasible).
>>> But I also have to agree that the increase in hardware seem quite excessive... i suppose you arrived at that figure by analysing the number of recipients per mail (and frequency of multi-recipient emails)? Well, the number isn?t everything:-)
>>> Provided you use the normal caching-dns-thingy and also use "Cache SpamAssassin Results = yes", the actual processing time and resource use will be minimized (not to mention that the normal batch-processing style of MailScanner will ... help...:-).
>>> Introducing a "splitting MX" between the internet and your regular MailScanner hosts should be rather simple, as well as adjusting which Received: lines your MailScanner hosts should ignore (since they otherwise will perceive all messages as originating from the "splitting MX" host)... So why not try that, with the gear you have ATM, and see where that leads you? Depending on what mailstore hosts you eventually deliver to, the storage impact should be minimal or even non-existant, since even M-Sexchange has abandioned "single store" since ... way back... so every recipient would eventually have their own copy in their own mailbox anyway;-).
>>>  
>>> As Alex says, we know nothing about your actual mail volume, but my money is on there being much less of a problem than you think, even if you do have ... serious traffic... (more than a few thousand mails/hour). the likeliest problem point/bottleneck is likely your MailWatch database so... keep an eye on that one, make sure you run it as InnoDB etc.
>>>  
>>> Cheers!
>>> -- 
>>> -- Glenn
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 11 July 2014 15:49, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Might want to also consider having a more flexible approach as Alex had mentioned.
>>> Will also help with some of the hardware requirements as you can also reject non-valid recipients at MTA as well as splitting the emails up, so the core MailScanner farm has less to do.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Martin Hepworth, CISSP
>>> Oxford, UK
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 11 July 2014 09:51, Sam Gelbart <samg at synaq.com> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> We at SYNAQ use and have used Mailscanner for many years. As an Email Hygiene provider MailScanner has served us very well.
>>> However, as we have grown (very rapidly in the past 6 months, to many more customer domains) we have noticed some deficiencies in MailScanner.
>>> 
>>> Below is a brief description covering our problem areas:
>>> 
>>> Overview
>>> The issue has arisen due to SYNAQ's ever growing client base and the fact that we're provisioning more and more customers (and email domains) on our hygiene platform, and that more than one of these customer recipients/domains (and their applicable rulesets) are being addressed in the same email.
>>> 
>>> Problem 1
>>> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
>>> 2) abc.co.za has quarantining of SPAM configured, while xyz.co.za does not.
>>> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses" user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
>>> 4) MailScanner determines that the message is SPAM and because it has "chosen" @abc.co.za as the email domain it deletes the message as the configured spam action for @abc.coz.a is to delete.
>>> 5) However the rule for xyz.co.za is to store/quarantine spam. This does not happen because of the actions above and data is also never logged via MailWatch.
>>> 6) The example above is a based on very simple scenario, and as you are aware this applies to many more complex rulesets (size, File Type etc) across the system.
>>> 
>>> Problem 2
>>> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
>>> 2) A third party emails both user at abc.co.za and user at xyz.co.za in a single email message.
>>> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses" user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
>>> 4) When the message is processed, the MailWatch.pm script receives a message object for SQL logging with data only for user at abc.co.za and abc.co.za; xyz.co.za is never logged.
>>> 
>>> Finally we have considered splitting incoming messages by recipient at an MTA level to address this problem, but our calculations show that it would require 3.5x more hardware to process this increased mail load. So for us a MailsScanner solution is ideal.
>>> 
>>> Based on the above, could you tell me if there is anything that can be done from a MailScanner community point of view to help develop MailScanner functionality to address these issues?
>>> We'd be very happy to give a nice donation for a fix or patch.
>>> 
>>> Also if the community has any ideas on other ways we can remedy this problem we welcome your feedback.
>>> 
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> 
>>> Sam Gelbart
>>> SYNAQ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> MailScanner mailing list
>>> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
>>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>>> 
>>> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>>> 
>>> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>>>  
>>> 
>>> --
>>> MailScanner mailing list
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>>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>>> 
>>> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>>> 
>>> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> -- 
>>> -- Glenn
>>> email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
>>> work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
>>> Hoople Ltd, Registered in England and Wales No. 7556595
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 10:06:40 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 11:06:40 +0200
Subject: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
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Yes jerry, quite true.
I thought I went InnoDB for performance, but it may well have been for
stabuility... As said, this was done quite a few years ago.
For the discussion at hand, this minor point has truly taken a far to large
place though... The dominant factor, vis-a-vis performance, is most likely
the execution of SpamAssassin on the message batch (and possibly the
AV-scanning, if you use something reeeaaally slow/cumbersome), and that
will be dealt with nicely by the SA results cache.
I'll still nick your partitioning idea (and revert to myISAM) and see what
that gives me, when I get the time:-).

Cheers
-- 
-- Glenn


On 5 August 2014 20:06, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com> wrote:

> From Baron Schwartz the author of High Performance MySQL:
>
> "The reason is very simple. When you insert a row into MyISAM, it just
> puts it into the server's memory and hopes that the server will flush it to
> disk at some point in the future. Good luck if the server crashes.
>
> When you insert a row into InnoDB it syncs the transaction durably to
> disk, and that requires it to wait for the disk to spin. Do the math on
> your system and see how long that takes.
>
> You can improve this by relaxing innodb_flush_log_at_trx_commit or by
> batching rows within a transaction instead of doing one transaction per
> row."
>
> In short, myisam is faster for inserts but InnoDB is more reliable. All of
> that ACID compliance and transaction rollback comes with an overhead cost.
> InnoDB also provides row level locking instead of table level like myisam
> and InnoDB can automatically recover from crashes. So, if you want
> reliability over performance, go with InnoDB. If you want faster inserts
> and quite often faster search results, go with MyISAM.
>
> These are mail logs and not bank records. But I suppose the level of
> important is relative.
>
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com>
> wrote:
>
> Caveat: You should partition the database by time. This is the Mailborder
> cp_maillog, which is slightly different than MailWatch, but the bit near
> the end is what you are looking for. You can adapt it for your table with
> an alter statement.
>
>
> CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `cp_maillog` (
>   `db_id` bigint(20) unsigned NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
>   `timestamp` timestamp NULL DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP ON UPDATE
> CURRENT_TIMESTAMP,
>   `id` varchar(30) NOT NULL,
>   `size` bigint(20) DEFAULT '0',
>   `from_address` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `from_domain` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `to_address` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `to_domain` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `subject` text CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci,
>   `clientip` varchar(15) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `archive` varchar(100) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `isspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `ishighspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `issaspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `isrblspam` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `spamwhitelisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `spamblacklisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `sascore` decimal(7,2) DEFAULT '0.00',
>   `spamreport` text,
>   `virusinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `nameinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `sizeinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `otherinfected` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `report` text,
>   `ismcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `ishighmcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `issamcp` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `mcpwhitelisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `mcpblacklisted` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `mcpsascore` decimal(7,2) DEFAULT '0.00',
>   `mcpreport` text,
>   `hostname` varchar(100) DEFAULT NULL,
>   `date` date NOT NULL DEFAULT '0000-00-00',
>   `time` time DEFAULT NULL,
>   `headers` text,
>   `quarantined` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `released` tinyint(1) DEFAULT '0',
>   `guid` varchar(40) NOT NULL,
>   PRIMARY KEY (`db_id`,`date`),
>   KEY `id` (`id`),
>   KEY `timestamp` (`timestamp`),
>   KEY `from_address` (`from_address`),
>   KEY `from_domain` (`from_domain`),
>   KEY `to_address` (`to_address`),
>   KEY `to_domain` (`to_domain`),
>   KEY `guid` (`guid`),
>   KEY `isspam` (`isspam`),
>   KEY `ishighspam` (`ishighspam`),
>   KEY `issaspam` (`issaspam`),
>   KEY `isrblspam` (`isrblspam`),
>   KEY `spamwhitelisted` (`spamwhitelisted`),
>   KEY `spamblacklisted` (`spamblacklisted`),
>   KEY `virusinfected` (`virusinfected`),
>   KEY `nameinfected` (`nameinfected`),
>   KEY `otherinfected` (`otherinfected`),
>   KEY `quarantined` (`quarantined`),
>   KEY `sizeinfected` (`sizeinfected`),
>   KEY `ismcp` (`ismcp`),
>   KEY `ishighmcp` (`ishighmcp`),
>   KEY `issamcp` (`issamcp`),
>   KEY `mcpwhitelisted` (`mcpwhitelisted`),
>   KEY `mcpblacklisted` (`mcpblacklisted`),
>   KEY `released` (`released`),
>   KEY `size` (`size`)
> ) ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 PARTITION BY HASH (( YEAR(`date`) +
> MONTH(`date`) )) PARTITIONS 70;
>
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com>
> wrote:
>
> Based on Mailborder design and testing, which the DB structure of
> Mailwatch is very similar, MyISAM has better performance when you start
> hitting millions of records.
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Does converting the MailWatch databases to InnoDB make a big difference in
> MailWatch performance?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Phil
>
>
> *From:* mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [
> mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> <mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info>] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Steen
> *Sent:* 05 August 2014 14:51
> *To:* MailScanner discussion
> *Subject:* Re: MailScanner Deficiency: Multi-Ruleset Processing per Email
> Recipient
>
> Can only agree with Martin and Alex, there is no way around either
> splitting mails per recipient (very feasible), or som major rework of both
> the MailScanner and mailWatch code (very infeasible).
> But I also have to agree that the increase in hardware seem quite
> excessive... i suppose you arrived at that figure by analysing the number
> of recipients per mail (and frequency of multi-recipient emails)? Well, the
> number isn?t everything:-)
> Provided you use the normal caching-dns-thingy and also use "Cache
> SpamAssassin Results = yes", the actual processing time and resource use
> will be minimized (not to mention that the normal batch-processing style of
> MailScanner will ... help...:-).
> Introducing a "splitting MX" between the internet and your regular
> MailScanner hosts should be rather simple, as well as adjusting which
> Received: lines your MailScanner hosts should ignore (since they otherwise
> will perceive all messages as originating from the "splitting MX" host)...
> So why not try that, with the gear you have ATM, and see where that leads
> you? Depending on what mailstore hosts you eventually deliver to, the
> storage impact should be minimal or even non-existant, since even
> M-Sexchange has abandioned "single store" since ... way back... so every
> recipient would eventually have their own copy in their own mailbox
> anyway;-).
>
> As Alex says, we know nothing about your actual mail volume, but my money
> is on there being much less of a problem than you think, even if you do
> have ... serious traffic... (more than a few thousand mails/hour). the
> likeliest problem point/bottleneck is likely your MailWatch database so...
> keep an eye on that one, make sure you run it as InnoDB etc.
>
> Cheers!
> --
> -- Glenn
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 15:49, Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com> wrote:
> Might want to also consider having a more flexible approach as Alex had
> mentioned.
> Will also help with some of the hardware requirements as you can also
> reject non-valid recipients at MTA as well as splitting the emails up, so
> the core MailScanner farm has less to do.
>
> --
> Martin Hepworth, CISSP
> Oxford, UK
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 09:51, Sam Gelbart <samg at synaq.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We at SYNAQ use and have used Mailscanner for many years. As an Email
> Hygiene provider MailScanner has served us very well.
> However, as we have grown (very rapidly in the past 6 months, to many more
> customer domains) we have noticed some deficiencies in MailScanner.
>
> Below is a brief description covering our problem areas:
>
> Overview
> The issue has arisen due to SYNAQ's ever growing client base and the fact
> that we're provisioning more and more customers (and email domains) on our
> hygiene platform, and that more than one of these customer
> recipients/domains (and their applicable rulesets) are being addressed in
> the same email.
>
> Problem 1
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) abc.co.za has quarantining of SPAM configured, while xyz.co.za does
> not.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
> user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
> 4) MailScanner determines that the message is SPAM and because it has
> "chosen" @abc.co.za as the email domain it deletes the message as the
> configured spam action for @abc.coz.a is to delete.
> 5) However the rule for xyz.co.za is to store/quarantine spam. This does
> not happen because of the actions above and data is also never logged via
> MailWatch.
> 6) The example above is a based on very simple scenario, and as you are
> aware this applies to many more complex rulesets (size, File Type etc)
> across the system.
>
> Problem 2
> 1) abc.co.za and xyz.co.za are both provisioned on our platform.
> 2) A third party emails both user at abc.co.za and user at xyz.co.za in a
> single email message.
> 3) Mailscanner accepts the message for processing but "chooses"
> user at abc.co.za andabc.co.za as the Message's "to_address" and "to_domain".
> 4) When the message is processed, the MailWatch.pm script receives a
> message object for SQL logging with data only for user at abc.co.za and
> abc.co.za; xyz.co.za is never logged.
>
> Finally we have considered splitting incoming messages by recipient at an
> MTA level to address this problem, but our calculations show that it would
> require 3.5x more hardware to process this increased mail load. So for us a
> MailsScanner solution is ideal.
>
> Based on the above, could you tell me if there is anything that can be
> done from a MailScanner community point of view to help develop MailScanner
> functionality to address these issues?
> We'd be very happy to give a nice donation for a fix or patch.
>
> Also if the community has any ideas on other ways we can remedy this
> problem we welcome your feedback.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Sam Gelbart
> SYNAQ
>
>
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 10:34:04 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 11:34:04 +0200
Subject: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
In-Reply-To: <C9908E6B-E276-4DEC-8C9A-7DA642EF2DA1@mailborder.com>
References: <C9908E6B-E276-4DEC-8C9A-7DA642EF2DA1@mailborder.com>
Message-ID: <CAAug_B9SBQT9smDuyWsgc8g9W_ty52ys3rhGz+6LJ3MWz3tb4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jerry,

I stumbled over this when going through my ... backlog... of emails, hence
the late reply:-)

I see that so far there has been little (or even no) change to the official
MailScanner site, which is kind of unfortunate... things like there still
being a download for ClamAV 0.96.5 (in the clam+sa package), which is newly
desupported entirely, make the project look like abandonware...
So my question is simply: Did you ever get a volunteer? Is an update
imminent?
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to donate ATM (and would most
certainly fail the prerequisite of answering in a timely fashion:-), but
perhaps someone else is ... less preoccupied:-)

Cheers!
-- 
-- Glenn


On 15 June 2014 21:00, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com> wrote:

> I have had revamping the MailScanner website on the back burner for a
> while. If someone is willing, we need a basic template using Bootstrap 3
> and jQuery. The current MailScanner site is static HTML, and we are going
> to leave it that way for now. For the foreseeable future we are going to
> use resources on Github for collaboration, so www.mailscanner.info will
> mostly be informational with download links, etc.
>
> Example base template:
> http://getbootstrap.com/examples/navbar-fixed-top/
>
> Components
> - Fixed navbar (like the example page)
> - Sticky footer
> - Scroll to top (bottom right)
>
> Theme
> - Grey, white, some yellow.
> - I have the images (eps, etc.), which Jules wants me to keep private.
> Just use placeholders until deployment.
>
> Content
> - Main page:
> ? general description, etc.
> ? a block for Jules? online shop items
> ? Quick links for install, guides
> ? News Release
>
> - Documentation page (mostly links)
>
> - Support (see current site)
>
> - Other items you might think relevant
>
>
> If I can get a volunteer, that would be great. However, if you volunteer I
> ask that you be timely and responsive.
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
>
>
>
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>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>


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From jerry.benton at mailborder.com  Thu Aug  7 12:13:23 2014
From: jerry.benton at mailborder.com (Jerry Benton)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 07:13:23 -0400
Subject: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
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Glenn,

No, no one. I have had to keep pushing this since May. I am in the middle
of a move from Germany to the USA, so it has been pushed again.

On Thursday, August 7, 2014, Glenn Steen <glenn.steen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Jerry,
>
> I stumbled over this when going through my ... backlog... of emails, hence
> the late reply:-)
>
> I see that so far there has been little (or even no) change to the
> official MailScanner site, which is kind of unfortunate... things like
> there still being a download for ClamAV 0.96.5 (in the clam+sa package),
> which is newly desupported entirely, make the project look like
> abandonware...
> So my question is simply: Did you ever get a volunteer? Is an update
> imminent?
> Unfortunately, I don't have the time to donate ATM (and would most
> certainly fail the prerequisite of answering in a timely fashion:-), but
> perhaps someone else is ... less preoccupied:-)
>
> Cheers!
> --
> -- Glenn
>
>
> On 15 June 2014 21:00, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jerry.benton at mailborder.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I have had revamping the MailScanner website on the back burner for a
>> while. If someone is willing, we need a basic template using Bootstrap 3
>> and jQuery. The current MailScanner site is static HTML, and we are going
>> to leave it that way for now. For the foreseeable future we are going to
>> use resources on Github for collaboration, so www.mailscanner.info will
>> mostly be informational with download links, etc.
>>
>> Example base template:
>> http://getbootstrap.com/examples/navbar-fixed-top/
>>
>> Components
>> - Fixed navbar (like the example page)
>> - Sticky footer
>> - Scroll to top (bottom right)
>>
>> Theme
>> - Grey, white, some yellow.
>> - I have the images (eps, etc.), which Jules wants me to keep private.
>> Just use placeholders until deployment.
>>
>> Content
>> - Main page:
>> ? general description, etc.
>> ? a block for Jules? online shop items
>> ? Quick links for install, guides
>> ? News Release
>>
>> - Documentation page (mostly links)
>>
>> - Support (see current site)
>>
>> - Other items you might think relevant
>>
>>
>> If I can get a volunteer, that would be great. However, if you volunteer
>> I ask that you be timely and responsive.
>>
>> -
>> Jerry Benton
>> www.mailborder.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> MailScanner mailing list
>> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info');>
>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>>
>> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>>
>> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> -- Glenn
> email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
> work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
>


-- 

--
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Mailborder Systems
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 12:21:54 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 13:21:54 +0200
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
Message-ID: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>

If so, any trouble/recommendations?

Cheers!
-- 
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From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Thu Aug  7 12:59:55 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 11:59:55 +0000
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3B3C1@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>

Hi,

I chucked it onto a test VM at home.

You need the ?U flag in the /usr/sbin/MailScanner

#!/usr/bin/perl -I/usr/lib/MailScanner ?U

Some of the perl modules included with MailScanner don?t want to build on CentOS 7.

I installed what I could from the distro and epel yum repos, and eventually got the required modules installed.

Not thoroughly tested, but seems to work for me.

Cheers,

Phil

From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 07 August 2014 12:22
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

If so, any trouble/recommendations?

Cheers!
--
-- Glenn
email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
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From mailscanner-list at okla.com  Thu Aug  7 13:18:22 2014
From: mailscanner-list at okla.com (Tracy Greggs)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 07:18:22 -0500
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028401cfb239$b277a820$1766f860$@okla.com>

I have communicated quite a bit with Phil Randal (MailWatch contributing coder) lately and he has MS and MW up and running on a CentOS 7 VM

 

You might email him about any issues he may have encountered.

 

https://github.com/philrandal

 

On a side note, MW 1.2.0 b6 Dev has a number of issues fixed and some enhancements J

 

Regards,

Tracy

 

 

From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 6:22 AM
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

 

If so, any trouble/recommendations?


 

Cheers!

-- 
-- Glenn
email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se 


-- 
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dangerous content by  <http://www.mailscanner.info/> MailScanner, and is 
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From jayesha_shinde at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 13:24:11 2014
From: jayesha_shinde at yahoo.com (jayesh shinde)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 05:24:11 -0700
Subject: Outbound spam protection , guidance require. 
Message-ID: <1407414251.22235.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi , 


My server handling? outgoing traffic of? 2 lakhs = 200,000 (max) emails per day . 


Some time due to virus infection or password hacking , spammers are sending? many thousand of email within short time.? Which at the end causing to blacklist my outgoing IP spool.? I am using rate limiting ,strong password etc ...? but still due to such issues? business is getting disturb. 


Want to is there any paid / opensource spam database available which will scan the outgoing email traffic ( not incoming ) from LAN / Wan and that can be integrate within MailScanner + Spamassassin? or only with postfix MTA ?? Which can detect and block the bulk / spam emails in realtime and have Low false positive rate .


What is best practice others are following for such scenario ?

Regards
Jayesh
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From jerry.benton at mailborder.com  Thu Aug  7 14:01:25 2014
From: jerry.benton at mailborder.com (Jerry Benton)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:01:25 -0400
Subject: Outbound spam protection , guidance require.
In-Reply-To: <1407414251.22235.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1407414251.22235.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2CE894CD-40E7-4ADC-B281-74FF841B7D58@mailborder.com>

Jayesh,

You can setup Postfix RBLs following this guide:

http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-fight-spam-with-postfix-rbl/

-
Jerry Benton
www.mailborder.com

On Aug 7, 2014, at 8:24 AM, jayesh shinde <jayesha_shinde at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi , 
> 
> My server handling  outgoing traffic of  2 lakhs = 200,000 (max) emails per day . 
> 
> Some time due to virus infection or password hacking , spammers are sending  many thousand of email within short time.  Which at the end causing to blacklist my outgoing IP spool.  I am using rate limiting ,strong password etc ...  but still due to such issues  business is getting disturb. 
> 
> Want to is there any paid / opensource spam database available which will scan the outgoing email traffic ( not incoming ) from LAN / Wan and that can be integrate within MailScanner + Spamassassin  or only with postfix MTA ?  Which can detect and block the bulk / spam emails in realtime and have Low false positive rate .
> 
> What is best practice others are following for such scenario ?
> 
> Regards
> Jayesh
> 
>  
> -- 
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
> 
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
> 
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website! 

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From foxb at abv.bg  Thu Aug  7 14:54:01 2014
From: foxb at abv.bg (Hristo Benev)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:54:01 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
Message-ID: <509916626.28030.1407419641640.JavaMail.apache@nm52.abv.bg>

I can help too...
Recently build site using same technologies so some bit's and pieces could be reused.

Hristo






 >-------- ?????????? ????? --------

 >??: Jerry Benton jerry.benton at mailborder.com

 >???????: Re: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner

 >??: MailScanner discussion <mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info>

 >????????? ??: ?????????, 2014, ?????? 7 14:13:23 EEST



 
> 
 
>  
 
>  
 
>   Glenn,
 
>   
 
>    
 
>   
 
>   
 
>    No, no one. I have had to keep pushing this since May. I am in the middle of a move from Germany to the USA, so it has been pushed again.?
 
>    
 
>    
 
>    On Thursday, August 7, 2014, Glenn Steen <
 
>    glenn.steen at gmail.com> wrote:
 
>     
 
>    
 
>     
 
>      Hello Jerry,
 
>      
 
>       
 
>      
 
>      
 
>       I stumbled over this when going through my ... backlog... of emails, hence the late reply:-)
 
>       
 
>      
 
>       
 
>      
 
>      
 
>       I see that so far there has been little (or even no) change to the official MailScanner site, which is kind of unfortunate... things like there still being a download for ClamAV 0.96.5 (in the clam+sa package), which is newly desupported entirely, make the project look like abandonware...
 
>       
 
>      
 
>       So my question is simply: Did you ever get a volunteer? Is an update imminent?
 
>      
 
>      
 
>       Unfortunately, I don't have the time to donate ATM (and would most certainly fail the prerequisite of answering in a timely fashion:-), but perhaps someone else is ... less preoccupied:-)
 
>       
 
>      
 
>       
 
>      
 
>      
 
>       Cheers!
 
>      
 
>      
 
>       --?
 
>      
 
>      
 
>       -- Glenn
 
>      
 
>     
 
>     
 
>      
 
>      
 
>      
 
>       On 15 June 2014 21:00, Jerry Benton 
 
>        wrote:
 
>        
 
>       
 
>        
 
>         I have had revamping the MailScanner website on the back burner for a while. If someone is willing, we need a basic template using Bootstrap 3 and jQuery. The current MailScanner site is static HTML, and we are going to leave it that way for now. For the foreseeable future we are going to use resources on Github for collaboration, so 
 
>         www.mailscanner.info will mostly be informational with download links, etc.?
 
>          
 
>          
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          Example base template:
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          http://getbootstrap.com/examples/navbar-fixed-top/
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          Components
 
>          
 
>         
 
>          - Fixed navbar (like the example page)
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          - Sticky footer
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          - Scroll to top (bottom right)?
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          Theme
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          - Grey, white, some yellow.?
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          - I have the images (eps, etc.), which Jules wants me to keep private. Just use placeholders until deployment.
 
>          
 
>         
 
>          
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          Content
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          - Main page:?
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          ? general description, etc.?
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          ? a block for Jules? online shop items
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          ? Quick links for install, guides
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          ? News Release
 
>         
 
>         
 
>           
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          - Documentation page (mostly links)?
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          - Support (see current site)
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          - Other items you might think relevant
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          
 
>         
 
>         
 
>          If I can get a volunteer, that would be great. However, if you volunteer I ask that you be timely and responsive.?
 
>           
 
>           
 
>            
 
>            -
 
>           
 
>           
 
>             Jerry Benton
 
>           
 
>            
 
>            www.mailborder.com
 
>           
 
>            
 
>            
 
>           
 
>            
 
>           
 
>          
 
>         
 
>        
 
>        --
 
>         MailScanner mailing list
 
>         
 
>        mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
 
>         
 
>        http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
 
>         
 
>         Before posting, read 
 
>        http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
 
>         
 
>         Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
 
>         
 
>        
 
>       
 
>      
 
>      
 
>      
 
>      
 
>       
 
>      -- 
 
>      -- Glenn
 
>      email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
 
>      work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se 
 
>      
 
>    
 
>   
 
>   
 
>   -- 
 
>   
 
>   
 
>    
 
>     
 
>      --
 
>      
 
>     Jerry Benton
 
>     
 
>    Mailborder Systems
 
>    
 
>    www.mailborder.com
 
>    
 
>   
 
>    
 
>  

From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 15:46:13 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:46:13 +0200
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3B3C1@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3B3C1@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAug_B-a8gf-GfLw7nAb0WaCpSDZHtRPsVPuoCxfOEb8udZz_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Phil!

Sounds about what I thought it'd be... I'm in the process of a revamp of
our MXs, so thought "why not go with the latest":-).
Apart from MS and MW, did you include some of the other usual stuff (DCC,
Razor, Pyzor, CRM114 etc)?

Cheers!
-- 
-- Glenn


On 7 August 2014 13:59, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>
>
> I chucked it onto a test VM at home.
>
>
>
> You need the ?U flag in the /usr/sbin/MailScanner
>
>
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl -I/usr/lib/MailScanner ?U
>
>
>
> Some of the perl modules included with MailScanner don?t want to build on
> CentOS 7.
>
>
>
> I installed what I could from the distro and epel yum repos, and
> eventually got the required modules installed.
>
>
>
> Not thoroughly tested, but seems to work for me.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> *From:* mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:
> mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Steen
> *Sent:* 07 August 2014 12:22
> *To:* MailScanner discussion
> *Subject:* Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
>
>
> If so, any trouble/recommendations?
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> --
> -- Glenn
> email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
> work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
>  Hoople Ltd, Registered in England and Wales No. 7556595
> Registered office: Plough Lane, Hereford, HR4 0LE
>
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> the individual and not necessarily those of Hoople Ltd. You should be aware
> that Hoople Ltd. monitors its email service. This e-mail and any attached
> files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee.
> This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed
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> error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or
> copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
> e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all
> copies of it."
>
> --
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> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>


-- 
-- Glenn
email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
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From foxb at abv.bg  Thu Aug  7 16:02:06 2014
From: foxb at abv.bg (Hristo Benev)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 18:02:06 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
Message-ID: <1715594861.30984.1407423726056.JavaMail.apache@nm52.abv.bg>

A "Paper" version to discuss ideas...

http://hbcom.info/mailscanner/MailScanner_info_1col_v1.jpg

Alternative option is to move to 2 column and use 2'nd column for sponsors and book.

Hristo

P.S. I realize picture is not really great and my handwriting is not best, but you should get the idea.






 >-------- ?????????? ????? --------

 >??: Hristo Benev foxb at abv.bg

 >???????: Re: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner

 >??: MailScanner discussion <mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info>

 >????????? ??: ?????????, 2014, ?????? 7 16:54:01 EEST



 
> I can help too...
 
> Recently build site using same technologies so some bit's and pieces could be reused.
 
> 
 
> Hristo
 
> 
 
> 
 
> 
 
> 
 
> 
 
> 
 
>  >-------- ?????????? ????? --------
 
> 
 
>  >??: Jerry Benton jerry.benton at mailborder.com
 
> 
 
>  >???????: Re: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
 
> 
 
>  >??: MailScanner discussion 
 
> 
 
>  >????????? ??: ?????????, 2014, ?????? 7 14:13:23 EEST
 
> 
 
> 
 
> 
 
>  
 
> > 
 
>  
 
> >  
 
>  
 
> >  
 
>  
 
> >   Glenn,
 
>  
 
> >   
 
>  
 
> >    
 
>  
 
> >   
 
>  
 
> >   
 
>  
 
> >    No, no one. I have had to keep pushing this since May. I am in the middle of a move from Germany to the USA, so it has been pushed again.?
 
>  
 
> >    
 
>  
 
> >    
 
>  
 
> >    On Thursday, August 7, 2014, Glenn Steen <
 
>  
 
> >    glenn.steen at gmail.com> wrote:
 
>  
 
> >     
 
>  
 
> >    
 
>  
 
> >     
 
>  
 
> >      Hello Jerry,
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       I stumbled over this when going through my ... backlog... of emails, hence the late reply:-)
 
>  
 
> >       
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       I see that so far there has been little (or even no) change to the official MailScanner site, which is kind of unfortunate... things like there still being a download for ClamAV 0.96.5 (in the clam+sa package), which is newly desupported entirely, make the project look like abandonware...
 
>  
 
> >       
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       So my question is simply: Did you ever get a volunteer? Is an update imminent?
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       Unfortunately, I don't have the time to donate ATM (and would most certainly fail the prerequisite of answering in a timely fashion:-), but perhaps someone else is ... less preoccupied:-)
 
>  
 
> >       
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       Cheers!
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       --?
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       -- Glenn
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >     
 
>  
 
> >     
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       On 15 June 2014 21:00, Jerry Benton 
 
>  
 
> >        wrote:
 
>  
 
> >        
 
>  
 
> >       
 
>  
 
> >        
 
>  
 
> >         I have had revamping the MailScanner website on the back burner for a while. If someone is willing, we need a basic template using Bootstrap 3 and jQuery. The current MailScanner site is static HTML, and we are going to leave it that way for now. For the foreseeable future we are going to use resources on Github for collaboration, so 
 
>  
 
> >         www.mailscanner.info will mostly be informational with download links, etc.?
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          Example base template:
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          http://getbootstrap.com/examples/navbar-fixed-top/
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          Components
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          - Fixed navbar (like the example page)
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          - Sticky footer
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          - Scroll to top (bottom right)?
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          Theme
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          - Grey, white, some yellow.?
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          - I have the images (eps, etc.), which Jules wants me to keep private. Just use placeholders until deployment.
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          Content
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          - Main page:?
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          ? general description, etc.?
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          ? a block for Jules? online shop items
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          ? Quick links for install, guides
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          ? News Release
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >           
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          - Documentation page (mostly links)?
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          - Support (see current site)
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          - Other items you might think relevant
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >          If I can get a volunteer, that would be great. However, if you volunteer I ask that you be timely and responsive.?
 
>  
 
> >           
 
>  
 
> >           
 
>  
 
> >            
 
>  
 
> >            -
 
>  
 
> >           
 
>  
 
> >           
 
>  
 
> >             Jerry Benton
 
>  
 
> >           
 
>  
 
> >            
 
>  
 
> >            www.mailborder.com
 
>  
 
> >           
 
>  
 
> >            
 
>  
 
> >            
 
>  
 
> >           
 
>  
 
> >            
 
>  
 
> >           
 
>  
 
> >          
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >        
 
>  
 
> >        --
 
>  
 
> >         MailScanner mailing list
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >        mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >        http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         Before posting, read 
 
>  
 
> >        http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >         Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
 
>  
 
> >         
 
>  
 
> >        
 
>  
 
> >       
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >       
 
>  
 
> >      -- 
 
>  
 
> >      -- Glenn
 
>  
 
> >      email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
 
>  
 
> >      work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se 
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >    
 
>  
 
> >   
 
>  
 
> >   
 
>  
 
> >   -- 
 
>  
 
> >   
 
>  
 
> >   
 
>  
 
> >    
 
>  
 
> >     
 
>  
 
> >      --
 
>  
 
> >      
 
>  
 
> >     Jerry Benton
 
>  
 
> >     
 
>  
 
> >    Mailborder Systems
 
>  
 
> >    
 
>  
 
> >    www.mailborder.com
 
>  
 
> >    
 
>  
 
> >   
 
>  
 
> >    
 
>  
 
> >  
 
> -- 
 
> MailScanner mailing list
 
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
 
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
 
> 
 
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
 
> 
 
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website! 

From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Thu Aug  7 16:21:38 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:21:38 +0000
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <CAAug_B-a8gf-GfLw7nAb0WaCpSDZHtRPsVPuoCxfOEb8udZz_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3B3C1@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<CAAug_B-a8gf-GfLw7nAb0WaCpSDZHtRPsVPuoCxfOEb8udZz_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3C56D@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>

No,

I didn?t try them.

I should perhaps make it clearer what I did with the perl modules.

Started with the list of perl modules MailScanner installs.

Installed what I could via CentOS / epel repos.

Ran MailScanner installer, and when it failed trying to build a perl module, installed the failed module manually via yum, repeated, until I eventually got there.

Then checked with MailScanner ?V and MailScanner ?lint.

Test emails worked OK.

Only gotcha I had was forgetting to ensure that /etc/hosts had a correct entry for the host in it.  They joys of cloning VMs and forgetting the little details.

Phil


From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 07 August 2014 15:46
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

Thanks Phil!

Sounds about what I thought it'd be... I'm in the process of a revamp of our MXs, so thought "why not go with the latest":-).
Apart from MS and MW, did you include some of the other usual stuff (DCC, Razor, Pyzor, CRM114 etc)?

Cheers!
--
-- Glenn

On 7 August 2014 13:59, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk<mailto:phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi,

I chucked it onto a test VM at home.

You need the ?U flag in the /usr/sbin/MailScanner

#!/usr/bin/perl -I/usr/lib/MailScanner ?U

Some of the perl modules included with MailScanner don?t want to build on CentOS 7.

I installed what I could from the distro and epel yum repos, and eventually got the required modules installed.

Not thoroughly tested, but seems to work for me.

Cheers,

Phil

From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info<mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info<mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info>] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 07 August 2014 12:22
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

If so, any trouble/recommendations?

Cheers!
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From mailscanner at replies.cyways.com  Thu Aug  7 17:57:07 2014
From: mailscanner at replies.cyways.com (Peter Lemieux)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 12:57:07 -0400
Subject: Outbound spam protection , guidance require.
In-Reply-To: <1407414251.22235.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1407414251.22235.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53E3AFE3.8090406@replies.cyways.com>

Are you trying filter mail leaving your server?  If so, you can use the 
MCP feature in MailScanner.  Just have it use the same rules as you use 
to scan inbound mail.

Peter


On 08/07/2014 08:24 AM, jayesh shinde wrote:
> Hi ,
>
> My server handling  outgoing traffic of  2 lakhs = 200,000 (max) emails
> per day .
>
> Some time due to virus infection or password hacking , spammers are
> sending  many thousand of email within short time.  Which at the end
> causing to blacklist my outgoing IP spool.  I am using rate limiting
> ,strong password etc ...  but still due to such issues  business is
> getting disturb.
>
> Want to is there any paid / opensource spam database available which
> will scan the outgoing email traffic ( not incoming ) from LAN / Wan and
> that can be integrate within MailScanner + Spamassassin  or only with
> postfix MTA ?  Which can detect and block the bulk / spam emails in
> realtime and have Low false positive rate .
>
> What is best practice others are following for such scenario ?
>
> Regards
> Jayesh
>
>
>

From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Thu Aug  7 21:08:14 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 20:08:14 +0000
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3C56D@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3B3C1@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<CAAug_B-a8gf-GfLw7nAb0WaCpSDZHtRPsVPuoCxfOEb8udZz_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3C56D@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3D73A@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>

OK, here?s a fuller list of what I did to get MailScanner running on CentOS 7

1: install spamassassin from CentOS repo ? that installs a bunch of dependencies

2: rpm ?e spamassassin

3: Install spamassassin 3.4.0 from the tarball, grabbing any extra needed perl modules from CentOS / epel yum repos

4: install the following via yum:

From CentOS repo:

perl-Test-Simple
perl-IO-stringy
perl-Archive-Zip
perl-Digest-SHA1
perl-DBD-SQLite

from epel:

perl-Convert-BinHex
perl-Net-IP
perl-Digest-MD5-File
perl-OLE-Storage_Lite
perl-Sys-SigAction
perl-MIME-tools


The rest are installed via MailScanner?s install script:

(You may need to install some build prerequisites too)

perl-Math-BigInt
perl-Math-BigRat
perl-bignum
perl-MIME-Base64
perl-IO
perl-Filesys-Df
perl-Net-CIDR
perl-Sys-Hostname-Long

Cheers,

Phil


From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: 07 August 2014 16:22
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

No,

I didn?t try them.

I should perhaps make it clearer what I did with the perl modules.

Started with the list of perl modules MailScanner installs.

Installed what I could via CentOS / epel repos.

Ran MailScanner installer, and when it failed trying to build a perl module, installed the failed module manually via yum, repeated, until I eventually got there.

Then checked with MailScanner ?V and MailScanner ?lint.

Test emails worked OK.

Only gotcha I had was forgetting to ensure that /etc/hosts had a correct entry for the host in it.  They joys of cloning VMs and forgetting the little details.

Phil


From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info<mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 07 August 2014 15:46
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

Thanks Phil!

Sounds about what I thought it'd be... I'm in the process of a revamp of our MXs, so thought "why not go with the latest":-).
Apart from MS and MW, did you include some of the other usual stuff (DCC, Razor, Pyzor, CRM114 etc)?

Cheers!
--
-- Glenn

On 7 August 2014 13:59, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk<mailto:phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi,

I chucked it onto a test VM at home.

You need the ?U flag in the /usr/sbin/MailScanner

#!/usr/bin/perl -I/usr/lib/MailScanner ?U

Some of the perl modules included with MailScanner don?t want to build on CentOS 7.

I installed what I could from the distro and epel yum repos, and eventually got the required modules installed.

Not thoroughly tested, but seems to work for me.

Cheers,

Phil

From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info<mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info<mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info>] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 07 August 2014 12:22
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

If so, any trouble/recommendations?

Cheers!
--
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email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
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From it at festa.bg  Thu Aug  7 21:47:17 2014
From: it at festa.bg (Valentin Laskov)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 23:47:17 +0300
Subject: Outbound spam protection , guidance require.
References: <1407414251.22235.YahooMailNeo@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F5F3227654874D23B2034748C157177B@vnvdelux>

Hi Jayesh,

I suppose these emails are not sent by your mail server. You must configure 
your router's firewall to prevent sending emails from stations in the LAN to 
Internet. If this is a Linux router you must type as root

iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP

You may need to specify network ( -s 192.168.0.0/24 ) or interfaces ( -i 
eth0 -o eth1 ) in the rule above.

cheers
Valentin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jayesh shinde" <jayesha_shinde at yahoo.com>
To: <mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Outbound spam protection , guidance require.


Hi ,


My server handling outgoing traffic of 2 lakhs = 200,000 (max) emails per 
day .


Some time due to virus infection or password hacking , spammers are sending 
many thousand of email within short time. Which at the end causing to 
blacklist my outgoing IP spool. I am using rate limiting ,strong password 
etc ... but still due to such issues business is getting disturb.


Want to is there any paid / opensource spam database available which will 
scan the outgoing email traffic ( not incoming ) from LAN / Wan and that can 
be integrate within MailScanner + Spamassassin or only with postfix MTA ? 
Which can detect and block the bulk / spam emails in realtime and have Low 
false positive rate .


What is best practice others are following for such scenario ?

Regards
Jayesh


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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 09:38:38 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:38:38 +0200
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3D73A@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3B3C1@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<CAAug_B-a8gf-GfLw7nAb0WaCpSDZHtRPsVPuoCxfOEb8udZz_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3C56D@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3D73A@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <CAAug_B_WdfTDvN=8OK4825=NTA=vi-TbZmmP3t5VxSYXYSKF+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Phil,

As you may remember (or not), I used to use Mandriva for my servers
(up until the Mandriva/Mageia split), so this sounds ... easy and
straightforward:-). No mixing in CPAN when all else fails;-).


On 7 August 2014 22:08, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
>
> OK, here?s a fuller list of what I did to get MailScanner running on CentOS 7
>
(snip)
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Phil
>
As said, this all seems quite straightforward, so ... I'll do that
then:-). Which MW install did you use?

>
>
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
> Sent: 07 August 2014 16:22
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
>
>
> No,
>
>
>
> I didn?t try them.
>
Ok, some fun and games to look forward to then:-).

>
(snip)>
>
> Only gotcha I had was forgetting to ensure that /etc/hosts had a correct entry for the host in it.  They joys of cloning VMs and forgetting the little details.
>
Isn't it a bitch, progress:-):-). Do you use any prebuilt VM, or
rolled your own?

>
>
> Phil
Cheers!
-- 
-- Glenn
email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se

From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Fri Aug  8 10:31:42 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:31:42 +0000
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <CAAug_B_WdfTDvN=8OK4825=NTA=vi-TbZmmP3t5VxSYXYSKF+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3B3C1@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<CAAug_B-a8gf-GfLw7nAb0WaCpSDZHtRPsVPuoCxfOEb8udZz_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3C56D@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3D73A@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<CAAug_B_WdfTDvN=8OK4825=NTA=vi-TbZmmP3t5VxSYXYSKF+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3F3ED@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>

MailScanner - latest release plus updated updated TNEF.pm from Git (https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/29) and my phishing filter fix ( https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/30)

This patchset might be useful too, but I don't know for sure: https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/commit/0b59afc1dde177150331248179d64d12820512c8 (uses IO::Pipe instead of IO)

MailWatch - latest from Git (https://github.com/mailwatch/1.2.0)

Cheers,

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 08 August 2014 09:39
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

Hi Phil,

As you may remember (or not), I used to use Mandriva for my servers (up until the Mandriva/Mageia split), so this sounds ... easy and straightforward:-). No mixing in CPAN when all else fails;-).


On 7 August 2014 22:08, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
>
> OK, here?s a fuller list of what I did to get MailScanner running on
> CentOS 7
>
(snip)
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Phil
>
As said, this all seems quite straightforward, so ... I'll do that then:-). Which MW install did you use?

>
>
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of
> Randal, Phil
> Sent: 07 August 2014 16:22
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
>
>
> No,
>
>
>
> I didn?t try them.
>
Ok, some fun and games to look forward to then:-).

>
(snip)>
>
> Only gotcha I had was forgetting to ensure that /etc/hosts had a correct entry for the host in it.  They joys of cloning VMs and forgetting the little details.
>
Isn't it a bitch, progress:-):-). Do you use any prebuilt VM, or rolled your own?

>
>
> Phil
Cheers!
--
-- Glenn
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work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
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From foxb at abv.bg  Fri Aug  8 18:51:35 2014
From: foxb at abv.bg (Hristo Benev)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 20:51:35 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
Message-ID: <454036255.74721.1407520295199.JavaMail.apache@nm52.abv.bg>

Based on current site color schema and requirement I did create rapid prototype.

http://hbcom.info/mailscanner/mailscanner_rapid_prototype_v1.png

Any comments?

After going by all menus here is what I gathered
Downloads
??? Change log
??? Other files

Support
??? Instant Help
??? Commercial
??? FAQ
??? Documentation
??? 
Our users

Contacts

Links on right side of menu
??? Store
??? Donate
??? Poetry

Comments suggestion?

Anyone?

Thanks
Hristo







 >-------- ?????????? ????? --------

 >??: Hristo Benev foxb at abv.bg

 >???????: Re: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner

 >??: MailScanner discussion <mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info>

 >????????? ??: ?????????, 2014, ?????? 7 18:02:06 EEST



 
> A "Paper" version to discuss ideas...
 
> 
 
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Sun Aug 10 11:21:38 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 12:21:38 +0200
Subject: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
In-Reply-To: <454036255.74721.1407520295199.JavaMail.apache@nm52.abv.bg>
References: <454036255.74721.1407520295199.JavaMail.apache@nm52.abv.bg>
Message-ID: <CAAug_B9bBKrihXQ94EhC+6kEGjOHKZ=EhwZXpTxD8vr9LCotiQ@mail.gmail.com>

That looks very nice Hristo. I"m sure that when Jerry is sorted with that
move, he'll be thrilled to work on the implementation with you! Jerry has
inherited the website from Jules, so has to be the one to say y/n...:-)
And yes, I think you have the structure down pat.

Cheers!
Den 8 aug 2014 20:23 skrev "Hristo Benev" <foxb at abv.bg>:

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From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Sun Aug 10 15:27:06 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 14:27:06 +0000
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3F3ED@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
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Updated list, based on a default CentOS 7 install:

General modules
===============

open-vm-tools (if on VMware)

deltarpm
gcc-c++
net-tools
patch
psmisc
rpm-build
wget

epel-release (7 beta) from epel site

Install spamassassin to get prerequisites, then rpm -e spamassassin (as we want 3.4.0, not 3.3.20

PERL MODULES
============

CentOS repo:

perl-Archive-Zip
perl-DBD-SQLite
perl-DBI
perl-Digest-SHA1
perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder
perl-Inline
perl-IO-String
perl-IO-stringy
perl-Module-Build
perl-Net-DNS-Nameserver
perl-Net-DNS-Resolver
perl-Parse-RecDescent
perl-Test-Manifest
perl-Test-Pod
perl-Test-Simple
perl-YAML

epel repo:

perl-Convert-BinHex
perl-Convert-TNEF
perl-Data-Dump
perl-Digest-MD5-File
perl-MIME-tools
perl-Net-IP
perl-OLE-Storage_Lite
perl-Sys-SigAction

Installed by MailScanner install:

perl-bignum
perl-Filesys-Df
perl-IO
perl-Math-BigInt
perl-Math-BigRat
perl-MIME-Base64
perl-Net-CIDR
perl-Sys-Hostname-Long

Getting Geo::IP and Razor2 on may be a bit complicated, as they're not in epel

Cheers,

Phil


-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: 08 August 2014 10:32
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

MailScanner - latest release plus updated updated TNEF.pm from Git (https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/29) and my phishing filter fix ( https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/30)

This patchset might be useful too, but I don't know for sure: https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/commit/0b59afc1dde177150331248179d64d12820512c8 (uses IO::Pipe instead of IO)

MailWatch - latest from Git (https://github.com/mailwatch/1.2.0)

Cheers,

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 08 August 2014 09:39
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

Hi Phil,

As you may remember (or not), I used to use Mandriva for my servers (up until the Mandriva/Mageia split), so this sounds ... easy and straightforward:-). No mixing in CPAN when all else fails;-).


On 7 August 2014 22:08, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
>
> OK, here?s a fuller list of what I did to get MailScanner running on 
> CentOS 7
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> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Phil
>
As said, this all seems quite straightforward, so ... I'll do that then:-). Which MW install did you use?

>
>
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of 
> Randal, Phil
> Sent: 07 August 2014 16:22
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
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> Only gotcha I had was forgetting to ensure that /etc/hosts had a correct entry for the host in it.  They joys of cloning VMs and forgetting the little details.
>
Isn't it a bitch, progress:-):-). Do you use any prebuilt VM, or rolled your own?

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> Phil
Cheers!
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-- Glenn
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Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting

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From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Sun Aug 10 16:02:14 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:02:14 +0000
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB41B21@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3B3C1@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<CAAug_B-a8gf-GfLw7nAb0WaCpSDZHtRPsVPuoCxfOEb8udZz_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3C56D@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3D73A@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<CAAug_B_WdfTDvN=8OK4825=NTA=vi-TbZmmP3t5VxSYXYSKF+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3F3ED@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB41B21@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB44F1A@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>

Oops, 

epel 7 does have perl-Razor-Agent.

dcc can be installed manually from the dcc tarball

Cheers,

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: 10 August 2014 15:27
To: 'MailScanner discussion'
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

Updated list, based on a default CentOS 7 install:

General modules
===============

open-vm-tools (if on VMware)

deltarpm
gcc-c++
net-tools
patch
psmisc
rpm-build
wget

epel-release (7 beta) from epel site

Install spamassassin to get prerequisites, then rpm -e spamassassin (as we want 3.4.0, not 3.3.20

PERL MODULES
============

CentOS repo:

perl-Archive-Zip
perl-DBD-SQLite
perl-DBI
perl-Digest-SHA1
perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder
perl-Inline
perl-IO-String
perl-IO-stringy
perl-Module-Build
perl-Net-DNS-Nameserver
perl-Net-DNS-Resolver
perl-Parse-RecDescent
perl-Test-Manifest
perl-Test-Pod
perl-Test-Simple
perl-YAML

epel repo:

perl-Convert-BinHex
perl-Convert-TNEF
perl-Data-Dump
perl-Digest-MD5-File
perl-MIME-tools
perl-Net-IP
perl-OLE-Storage_Lite
perl-Sys-SigAction

Installed by MailScanner install:

perl-bignum
perl-Filesys-Df
perl-IO
perl-Math-BigInt
perl-Math-BigRat
perl-MIME-Base64
perl-Net-CIDR
perl-Sys-Hostname-Long

Getting Geo::IP and Razor2 on may be a bit complicated, as they're not in epel

Cheers,

Phil


-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: 08 August 2014 10:32
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

MailScanner - latest release plus updated updated TNEF.pm from Git (https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/29) and my phishing filter fix ( https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/30)

This patchset might be useful too, but I don't know for sure: https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/commit/0b59afc1dde177150331248179d64d12820512c8 (uses IO::Pipe instead of IO)

MailWatch - latest from Git (https://github.com/mailwatch/1.2.0)

Cheers,

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 08 August 2014 09:39
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

Hi Phil,

As you may remember (or not), I used to use Mandriva for my servers (up until the Mandriva/Mageia split), so this sounds ... easy and straightforward:-). No mixing in CPAN when all else fails;-).


On 7 August 2014 22:08, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
>
> OK, here?s a fuller list of what I did to get MailScanner running on 
> CentOS 7
>
(snip)
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Phil
>
As said, this all seems quite straightforward, so ... I'll do that then:-). Which MW install did you use?

>
>
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of 
> Randal, Phil
> Sent: 07 August 2014 16:22
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
>
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> No,
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> I didn?t try them.
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Ok, some fun and games to look forward to then:-).

>
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> Only gotcha I had was forgetting to ensure that /etc/hosts had a correct entry for the host in it.  They joys of cloning VMs and forgetting the little details.
>
Isn't it a bitch, progress:-):-). Do you use any prebuilt VM, or rolled your own?

>
>
> Phil
Cheers!
--
-- Glenn
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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 00:00:09 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 01:00:09 +0200
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
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Great, thanks!
Cheers!
-- 
-- Glenn
Den 10 aug 2014 17:27 skrev "Randal, Phil" <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk>:

> Oops,
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> epel 7 does have perl-Razor-Agent.
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> dcc can be installed manually from the dcc tarball
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> Cheers,
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> Phil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:
> mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
> Sent: 10 August 2014 15:27
> To: 'MailScanner discussion'
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
> Updated list, based on a default CentOS 7 install:
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> General modules
> ===============
>
> open-vm-tools (if on VMware)
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> deltarpm
> gcc-c++
> net-tools
> patch
> psmisc
> rpm-build
> wget
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> epel-release (7 beta) from epel site
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> Install spamassassin to get prerequisites, then rpm -e spamassassin (as we
> want 3.4.0, not 3.3.20
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> PERL MODULES
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> perl-Archive-Zip
> perl-DBD-SQLite
> perl-DBI
> perl-Digest-SHA1
> perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder
> perl-Inline
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> perl-Net-IP
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> Getting Geo::IP and Razor2 on may be a bit complicated, as they're not in
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> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:
> mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
> Sent: 08 August 2014 10:32
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
> MailScanner - latest release plus updated updated TNEF.pm from Git (
> https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/29) and my phishing filter fix (
> https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/30)
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> This patchset might be useful too, but I don't know for sure:
> https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/commit/0b59afc1dde177150331248179d64d12820512c8
> (uses IO::Pipe instead of IO)
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> MailWatch - latest from Git (https://github.com/mailwatch/1.2.0)
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> Cheers,
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> Phil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:
> mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
> Sent: 08 August 2014 09:39
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: Re: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
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> Hi Phil,
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> As you may remember (or not), I used to use Mandriva for my servers (up
> until the Mandriva/Mageia split), so this sounds ... easy and
> straightforward:-). No mixing in CPAN when all else fails;-).
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> On 7 August 2014 22:08, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
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> > OK, here?s a fuller list of what I did to get MailScanner running on
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> > Cheers,
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> As said, this all seems quite straightforward, so ... I'll do that
> then:-). Which MW install did you use?
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> > From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> > [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of
> > Randal, Phil
> > Sent: 07 August 2014 16:22
> > To: MailScanner discussion
> > Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
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> entry for the host in it.  They joys of cloning VMs and forgetting the
> little details.
> >
> Isn't it a bitch, progress:-):-). Do you use any prebuilt VM, or rolled
> your own?
>
> >
> >
> > Phil
> Cheers!
> --
> -- Glenn
> email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
> work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
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From foxb at abv.bg  Mon Aug 11 04:11:55 2014
From: foxb at abv.bg (Hristo Benev)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:11:55 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
Message-ID: <1318858795.69451.1407726715438.JavaMail.apache@nm51.abv.bg>

I guess I'll have to wait for Jerry then...

Thanks

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From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 10:24:27 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:24:27 +0200
Subject: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
In-Reply-To: <1318858795.69451.1407726715438.JavaMail.apache@nm51.abv.bg>
References: <1318858795.69451.1407726715438.JavaMail.apache@nm51.abv.bg>
Message-ID: <CAAug_B8quiQ19XotMhYUL_woSzwEQ_rZAXNNHBrWN73ypSsV0A@mail.gmail.com>

Yep. you might get through faster if you drop him a line directly,
since he might be ... prioritizing... that channel over the ML:-)... I
suppose the address would be jerry.benton at mailborder.com ...

Cheers!
-- 
-- Glenn

On 11 August 2014 05:11, Hristo Benev <foxb at abv.bg> wrote:
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>  >???????: Re: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
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work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se

From jerry.benton at mailborder.com  Mon Aug 11 15:57:27 2014
From: jerry.benton at mailborder.com (Jerry Benton)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:57:27 -0400
Subject: MailScanner Website
Message-ID: <F3D68A28-5E3B-4FFB-8786-46702B1D6518@mailborder.com>

 This was the basic format I was probably going to implement. It would probably be 3x6x3 or 2x8x2

http://getbootstrap.com/examples/navbar-fixed-top/

I am also considering a CMS so that updates can be easily made. This would also allow for content versioning, etc. It would also allow certain authors to help maintain the site. (access restrictions)


As I mentioned, I am in the middle of a move, so it may be a couple of months. I also have the next version of MailScanner ready, but I need to work out, on a long term basis, how we are going to create the source, rpm, and deb packages from Github. The new version includes some basic fixes like the -U option along with some other fixes for deprecated items in perl. (And of course the infamous tnef issue.)


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Who is the list admin now? I just got a hold notice due to the thread being over 100k.

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Jerry Benton
www.mailborder.com

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From jerry.benton at mailborder.com  Mon Aug 11 15:54:41 2014
From: jerry.benton at mailborder.com (Jerry Benton)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:54:41 -0400
Subject: Need Web Developer Volunteer for MailScanner
In-Reply-To: <CAAug_B8quiQ19XotMhYUL_woSzwEQ_rZAXNNHBrWN73ypSsV0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1318858795.69451.1407726715438.JavaMail.apache@nm51.abv.bg>
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This was the basic format I was probably going to implement. It would probably be 3x6x3 or 2x8x2

http://getbootstrap.com/examples/navbar-fixed-top/

I am also considering a CMS so that updates can be easily made. This would also allow for content versioning, etc. It would also allow certain authors to help maintain the site. (access restrictions)


As I mentioned, I am in the middle of a move, so it may be a couple of months. I also have the next version of MailScanner ready, but I need to work out, on a long term basis, how we are going to create the source, rpm, and deb packages from Github. The new version includes some basic fixes like the -U option along with some other fixes for deprecated items in perl. (And of course the infamous tnef issue.)

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Jerry Benton
www.mailborder.com

On Aug 11, 2014, at 5:24 AM, Glenn Steen <glenn.steen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yep. you might get through faster if you drop him a line directly,
> since he might be ... prioritizing... that channel over the ML:-)... I
> suppose the address would be jerry.benton at mailborder.com ...
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> -- Glenn
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> On 11 August 2014 05:11, Hristo Benev <foxb at abv.bg> wrote:
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From foxb at abv.bg  Mon Aug 11 16:34:38 2014
From: foxb at abv.bg (Hristo Benev)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:34:38 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: MailScanner Website
Message-ID: <2078851626.146624.1407771278686.JavaMail.apache@nm53.abv.bg>

>-------- ?????????? ????? --------

 >??: Jerry Benton jerry.benton at mailborder.com

 >???????: MailScanner Website

 >??: MailScanner discussion <mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info>

 >????????? ??: ??????????, 2014, ?????? 11 17:57:27 EEST



 
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Is CMS really needed? How many pages are changed and how frequently?
AFAIK most of the changes are in the wiki.

Development and version control could be done via GIT (or other VCS).

Do you have any comments?

Hristo

From richard.siddall at elirion.net  Mon Aug 11 16:55:00 2014
From: richard.siddall at elirion.net (Richard Siddall)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:55:00 -0400
Subject: MailScanner Website
In-Reply-To: <2078851626.146624.1407771278686.JavaMail.apache@nm53.abv.bg>
References: <2078851626.146624.1407771278686.JavaMail.apache@nm53.abv.bg>
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Hristo Benev wrote:
> Jerry,
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> Is CMS really needed? How many pages are changed and how frequently?
> AFAIK most of the changes are in the wiki.
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> Development and version control could be done via GIT (or other VCS).
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"Build A Blog With Jekyll And GitHub Pages"
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/08/01/build-blog-jekyll-github-pages/

Might suit a developer better than installing WordPress and a 
Bootstrap-based theme.


> Do you have any comments?
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> Hristo
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	Richard.


From jerry.benton at mailborder.com  Mon Aug 11 17:37:29 2014
From: jerry.benton at mailborder.com (Jerry Benton)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 12:37:29 -0400
Subject: MailScanner Website
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Hristo,

I would like to have content dynamically updated at some point. An example would be an optional Phishing updates, ScamNailer updates (after we fix it), etc. Also, versioning for content, a better wiki with better authoring control, etc. The debate has already gone back and forth over this mailing list regarding static vs CMS, so we don?t need to rehash the same debate. 



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www.mailborder.com

On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Richard Siddall <richard.siddall at elirion.net> wrote:

> Hristo Benev wrote:
>> Jerry,
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>> AFAIK most of the changes are in the wiki.
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> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/08/01/build-blog-jekyll-github-pages/
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> Bootstrap-based theme.
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> 	Richard.
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> -- 
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
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> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
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> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website! 

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From foxb at abv.bg  Mon Aug 11 18:06:56 2014
From: foxb at abv.bg (Hristo Benev)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:06:56 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: MailScanner Website
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Jerry,

I did not want to start new discussion.
What was the final decision CMS or static?

My understanding was that it was static, but I could be wrong.

Hristo






 >-------- ?????????? ????? --------

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 >???????: Re: MailScanner Website

 >??: MailScanner discussion <mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info>

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>      -- 
 
>      MailScanner mailing list
 
>      mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
 
>      http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
 
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From Kevin_Miller at ci.juneau.ak.us  Tue Aug 19 19:55:02 2014
From: Kevin_Miller at ci.juneau.ak.us (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:55:02 +0000
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin
Message-ID: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>

Historically I've used Jules' prepackaged spamassassin tarballs to install/upgrade.  Those seem to have fallen by the wayside now however.  I'm on spamassassin 3.3.1.  What's the best way to get current?  

The OS varies by email host:
	centOS 5.10
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	SLES 10.4 & 11.2

Any caveats to just downloading from spamassassin.org and installing?  RPMs are so much more convenient, but they seem to be stagnant an awful lot of the time.  My test server has both epel and rpmforge repos added but they're "stale" as well.

TIA...

...Kevin
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Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4500
Registered Linux User No: 307357 



From maxsec at gmail.com  Tue Aug 19 20:41:19 2014
From: maxsec at gmail.com (Martin Hepworth)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:41:19 +0100
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
References: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
Message-ID: <CAGDKor+0WEWdPAC2rqi9t_dJZs9sJQ-w4LxgnhMipPbaUKQL_g@mail.gmail.com>

I've always downloaded the source myself.
Dont think I've spotted issues with latestversion of SA, but a quick hunt
of the list archives might useful

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Martin Hepworth, CISSP
Oxford, UK


On 19 August 2014 19:55, Kevin Miller <Kevin_Miller at ci.juneau.ak.us> wrote:

> Historically I've used Jules' prepackaged spamassassin tarballs to
> install/upgrade.  Those seem to have fallen by the wayside now however.
> I'm on spamassassin 3.3.1.  What's the best way to get current?
>
> The OS varies by email host:
>         centOS 5.10
>         centOS 6.5
>         SLES 10.4 & 11.2
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> Any caveats to just downloading from spamassassin.org and installing?
> RPMs are so much more convenient, but they seem to be stagnant an awful lot
> of the time.  My test server has both epel and rpmforge repos added but
> they're "stale" as well.
>
> TIA...
>
> ...Kevin
> --
> Kevin Miller
> Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
> 155 South Seward Street
> Juneau, Alaska 99801
> Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4500
> Registered Linux User No: 307357
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From mailscanner-list at okla.com  Tue Aug 19 20:53:33 2014
From: mailscanner-list at okla.com (Tracy Greggs)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:53:33 -0500
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
References: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
Message-ID: <011a01cfbbe7$4568f6a0$d03ae3e0$@okla.com>

This is one of those things where I gave up on the repo's quite some time
ago and install from source.

Centos 5.x and 6.x

Source installs the binary in /usr/local/bin/ so you might need a symlink
for /usr/bin/spamassassin if you are using Mailwatch or you might need to
edit your MailWatch conf.php for the location of SA.

It is a pretty quick install and I personally have had no issues with
installing from source.  Agreed not as easy as yum update spamassassin but
it has been totally painless anyway.

Best of luck,

Tracy


-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
[mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Kevin
Miller
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:55 PM
To: MailScanner List (mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info)
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin

Historically I've used Jules' prepackaged spamassassin tarballs to
install/upgrade.  Those seem to have fallen by the wayside now however.  I'm
on spamassassin 3.3.1.  What's the best way to get current?  

The OS varies by email host:
	centOS 5.10
	centOS 6.5
	SLES 10.4 & 11.2

Any caveats to just downloading from spamassassin.org and installing?  RPMs
are so much more convenient, but they seem to be stagnant an awful lot of
the time.  My test server has both epel and rpmforge repos added but they're
"stale" as well.

TIA...

...Kevin
--
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Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4500 Registered Linux User No: 307357 


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From Kevin_Miller at ci.juneau.ak.us  Thu Aug 21 00:52:47 2014
From: Kevin_Miller at ci.juneau.ak.us (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 23:52:47 +0000
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <011a01cfbbe7$4568f6a0$d03ae3e0$@okla.com>
References: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
	<011a01cfbbe7$4568f6a0$d03ae3e0$@okla.com>
Message-ID: <84d18291c86842c48bedec4b5b3584c2@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>

I uninstalled 3.3.1 first, then installed from the tarball.  It seemed to go fine.  Thanks for the heads up on the /usr/local/bin change.  Had to edit a few files to get sa-update and sa-compile to work but nothing insurmountable.

I also added in a couple missing optional perl modules.  Par for the course I suppose.

I am using MailWatch, but the only reference to spamassassin in conf.php is:
  define('SA_RULES_DIR', '/usr/share/spamassassin/');
which doesn't exist.  Not sure what to replace that with.  If I had to hazard a guess I'd say /var/lib/spamassassin/3.004000/ or maybe /var/lib/spamassassin/compiled/5.010 but I don't really know.  On a different box that's still on 3.3.1 it exists but there's not much in it:
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 101479 Mar 24  2011 languages
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   4777 Mar 24  2011 sa-update-pubkey.txt
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   1869 Mar 24  2011 user_prefs.template

Certainly not any rules.  I don't know if this is an issue or not.

Also had a bug in razor2.pm but a google search quickly put that to rights...

...Kevin
--
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Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4500
Registered Linux User No: 307357 


-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Tracy Greggs
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:54 AM
To: 'MailScanner discussion'
Subject: RE: Upgrading spamassassin

This is one of those things where I gave up on the repo's quite some time ago and install from source.

Centos 5.x and 6.x

Source installs the binary in /usr/local/bin/ so you might need a symlink for /usr/bin/spamassassin if you are using Mailwatch or you might need to edit your MailWatch conf.php for the location of SA.

It is a pretty quick install and I personally have had no issues with installing from source.  Agreed not as easy as yum update spamassassin but it has been totally painless anyway.

Best of luck,

Tracy


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Kevin Miller
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:55 PM
To: MailScanner List (mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info)
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin

Historically I've used Jules' prepackaged spamassassin tarballs to install/upgrade.  Those seem to have fallen by the wayside now however.  I'm on spamassassin 3.3.1.  What's the best way to get current?  

The OS varies by email host:
	centOS 5.10
	centOS 6.5
	SLES 10.4 & 11.2

Any caveats to just downloading from spamassassin.org and installing?  RPMs are so much more convenient, but they seem to be stagnant an awful lot of the time.  My test server has both epel and rpmforge repos added but they're "stale" as well.

TIA...

...Kevin
--
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Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4500 Registered Linux User No: 307357 


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From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Thu Aug 21 10:23:07 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 09:23:07 +0000
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <84d18291c86842c48bedec4b5b3584c2@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
References: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
	<011a01cfbbe7$4568f6a0$d03ae3e0$@okla.com>
	<84d18291c86842c48bedec4b5b3584c2@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
Message-ID: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB71908@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>

After installing spamassassin, you need to do an sa-update, or, preferably, sa-update -D

My MailWatch works with

define('SA_RULES_DIR', '/usr/share/spamassassin/');

even though the rules are elsewhere.  It knows where to look.

Cheers,

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Kevin Miller
Sent: 21 August 2014 00:53
To: 'MailScanner discussion'
Subject: RE: Upgrading spamassassin

I uninstalled 3.3.1 first, then installed from the tarball.  It seemed to go fine.  Thanks for the heads up on the /usr/local/bin change.  Had to edit a few files to get sa-update and sa-compile to work but nothing insurmountable.

I also added in a couple missing optional perl modules.  Par for the course I suppose.

I am using MailWatch, but the only reference to spamassassin in conf.php is:
  define('SA_RULES_DIR', '/usr/share/spamassassin/'); which doesn't exist.  Not sure what to replace that with.  If I had to hazard a guess I'd say /var/lib/spamassassin/3.004000/ or maybe /var/lib/spamassassin/compiled/5.010 but I don't really know.  On a different box that's still on 3.3.1 it exists but there's not much in it:
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 101479 Mar 24  2011 languages
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   4777 Mar 24  2011 sa-update-pubkey.txt
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   1869 Mar 24  2011 user_prefs.template

Certainly not any rules.  I don't know if this is an issue or not.

Also had a bug in razor2.pm but a google search quickly put that to rights...

...Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4500 Registered Linux User No: 307357


-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Tracy Greggs
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:54 AM
To: 'MailScanner discussion'
Subject: RE: Upgrading spamassassin

This is one of those things where I gave up on the repo's quite some time ago and install from source.

Centos 5.x and 6.x

Source installs the binary in /usr/local/bin/ so you might need a symlink for /usr/bin/spamassassin if you are using Mailwatch or you might need to edit your MailWatch conf.php for the location of SA.

It is a pretty quick install and I personally have had no issues with installing from source.  Agreed not as easy as yum update spamassassin but it has been totally painless anyway.

Best of luck,

Tracy


-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
[mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Kevin Miller
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:55 PM
To: MailScanner List (mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info)
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin

Historically I've used Jules' prepackaged spamassassin tarballs to install/upgrade.  Those seem to have fallen by the wayside now however.  I'm on spamassassin 3.3.1.  What's the best way to get current?

The OS varies by email host:
        centOS 5.10
        centOS 6.5
        SLES 10.4 & 11.2

Any caveats to just downloading from spamassassin.org and installing?  RPMs are so much more convenient, but they seem to be stagnant an awful lot of the time.  My test server has both epel and rpmforge repos added but they're "stale" as well.

TIA...

...Kevin
--
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Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4500 Registered Linux User No: 307357


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From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Thu Aug 21 11:02:22 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:02:22 +0000
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB71908@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
References: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
	<011a01cfbbe7$4568f6a0$d03ae3e0$@okla.com>
	<84d18291c86842c48bedec4b5b3584c2@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB71908@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB71FA6@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>

A peek in MailWatch's sa_rules_update.php reveals that it looks for SpamAssassin rules in:

SA_RULES_DIR
/usr/share/spamassassin
/usr/local/share/spamassassin
/etc/MailScanner/spam.assassin.prefs.conf
/opt/MailScanner/etc/spam.assassin.prefs.conf
/usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin
/etc/mail/spamassassin
/var/lib/spamassassin

and subdirectories of the above.

So the out of the (virtual) box defaults should just work.

Cheers,

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: 21 August 2014 10:23
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: RE: Upgrading spamassassin

After installing spamassassin, you need to do an sa-update, or, preferably, sa-update -D

My MailWatch works with

define('SA_RULES_DIR', '/usr/share/spamassassin/');

even though the rules are elsewhere.  It knows where to look.

Cheers,

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Kevin Miller
Sent: 21 August 2014 00:53
To: 'MailScanner discussion'
Subject: RE: Upgrading spamassassin

I uninstalled 3.3.1 first, then installed from the tarball.  It seemed to go fine.  Thanks for the heads up on the /usr/local/bin change.  Had to edit a few files to get sa-update and sa-compile to work but nothing insurmountable.

I also added in a couple missing optional perl modules.  Par for the course I suppose.

I am using MailWatch, but the only reference to spamassassin in conf.php is:
  define('SA_RULES_DIR', '/usr/share/spamassassin/'); which doesn't exist.  Not sure what to replace that with.  If I had to hazard a guess I'd say /var/lib/spamassassin/3.004000/ or maybe /var/lib/spamassassin/compiled/5.010 but I don't really know.  On a different box that's still on 3.3.1 it exists but there's not much in it:
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 101479 Mar 24  2011 languages
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   4777 Mar 24  2011 sa-update-pubkey.txt
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   1869 Mar 24  2011 user_prefs.template

Certainly not any rules.  I don't know if this is an issue or not.

Also had a bug in razor2.pm but a google search quickly put that to rights...

...Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4500 Registered Linux User No: 307357


-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Tracy Greggs
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:54 AM
To: 'MailScanner discussion'
Subject: RE: Upgrading spamassassin

This is one of those things where I gave up on the repo's quite some time ago and install from source.

Centos 5.x and 6.x

Source installs the binary in /usr/local/bin/ so you might need a symlink for /usr/bin/spamassassin if you are using Mailwatch or you might need to edit your MailWatch conf.php for the location of SA.

It is a pretty quick install and I personally have had no issues with installing from source.  Agreed not as easy as yum update spamassassin but it has been totally painless anyway.

Best of luck,

Tracy


-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
[mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Kevin Miller
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:55 PM
To: MailScanner List (mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info)
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin

Historically I've used Jules' prepackaged spamassassin tarballs to install/upgrade.  Those seem to have fallen by the wayside now however.  I'm on spamassassin 3.3.1.  What's the best way to get current?

The OS varies by email host:
        centOS 5.10
        centOS 6.5
        SLES 10.4 & 11.2

Any caveats to just downloading from spamassassin.org and installing?  RPMs are so much more convenient, but they seem to be stagnant an awful lot of the time.  My test server has both epel and rpmforge repos added but they're "stale" as well.

TIA...

...Kevin
--
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Network/email Administrator, CBJ MIS Dept.
155 South Seward Street
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: (907) 586-0242, Fax: (907) 586-4500 Registered Linux User No: 307357


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From Kevin_Miller at ci.juneau.ak.us  Thu Aug 21 17:29:34 2014
From: Kevin_Miller at ci.juneau.ak.us (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 16:29:34 +0000
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB71908@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
References: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
	<011a01cfbbe7$4568f6a0$d03ae3e0$@okla.com>
	<84d18291c86842c48bedec4b5b3584c2@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB71908@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <ccc8f81fcb384fa188b79bc20475efdc@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>

Yup, did that.  Found the razor bug when trying to get them to compile.

Best...

...Kevin
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-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:23 AM
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: RE: Upgrading spamassassin

After installing spamassassin, you need to do an sa-update, or, preferably, sa-update -D

My MailWatch works with

define('SA_RULES_DIR', '/usr/share/spamassassin/');

even though the rules are elsewhere.  It knows where to look.

Cheers,

Phil

From Kevin_Miller at ci.juneau.ak.us  Thu Aug 21 17:52:26 2014
From: Kevin_Miller at ci.juneau.ak.us (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 16:52:26 +0000
Subject: Upgrading spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB71FA6@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
References: <17d5cc69729e4e239e4dd60b3fc12b74@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
	<011a01cfbbe7$4568f6a0$d03ae3e0$@okla.com>
	<84d18291c86842c48bedec4b5b3584c2@City-Exch-DB1.cbj.local>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB71908@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB71FA6@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
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Perfect. Thanks again...

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-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:02 AM
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: RE: Upgrading spamassassin

A peek in MailWatch's sa_rules_update.php reveals that it looks for SpamAssassin rules in:

SA_RULES_DIR
/usr/share/spamassassin
/usr/local/share/spamassassin
/etc/MailScanner/spam.assassin.prefs.conf
/opt/MailScanner/etc/spam.assassin.prefs.conf
/usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin
/etc/mail/spamassassin
/var/lib/spamassassin

and subdirectories of the above.

So the out of the (virtual) box defaults should just work.

Cheers,

Phil

From glenn.steen at gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 14:06:38 2014
From: glenn.steen at gmail.com (Glenn Steen)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 15:06:38 +0200
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB44F1A@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
References: <CAAug_B-M_7tUUiARKkRpKFiQLGJxU25OaQC5w=ngJUkon01R0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3B3C1@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<CAAug_B-a8gf-GfLw7nAb0WaCpSDZHtRPsVPuoCxfOEb8udZz_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3C56D@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
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	<CAAug_B_WdfTDvN=8OK4825=NTA=vi-TbZmmP3t5VxSYXYSKF+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3F3ED@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB41B21@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB44F1A@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
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Just one more, slightly daft, question... Exactly what version/source
did you use for MailScanner? The official website? Or the master
branch on github? (yeah, git and i aren't ... friends... yet:-)

Cheers
-- 
-- Glenn


On 10 August 2014 17:02, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
> Oops,
>
> epel 7 does have perl-Razor-Agent.
>
> dcc can be installed manually from the dcc tarball
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
> Sent: 10 August 2014 15:27
> To: 'MailScanner discussion'
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
> Updated list, based on a default CentOS 7 install:
>
> General modules
> ===============
>
> open-vm-tools (if on VMware)
>
> deltarpm
> gcc-c++
> net-tools
> patch
> psmisc
> rpm-build
> wget
>
> epel-release (7 beta) from epel site
>
> Install spamassassin to get prerequisites, then rpm -e spamassassin (as we want 3.4.0, not 3.3.20
>
> PERL MODULES
> ============
>
> CentOS repo:
>
> perl-Archive-Zip
> perl-DBD-SQLite
> perl-DBI
> perl-Digest-SHA1
> perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder
> perl-Inline
> perl-IO-String
> perl-IO-stringy
> perl-Module-Build
> perl-Net-DNS-Nameserver
> perl-Net-DNS-Resolver
> perl-Parse-RecDescent
> perl-Test-Manifest
> perl-Test-Pod
> perl-Test-Simple
> perl-YAML
>
> epel repo:
>
> perl-Convert-BinHex
> perl-Convert-TNEF
> perl-Data-Dump
> perl-Digest-MD5-File
> perl-MIME-tools
> perl-Net-IP
> perl-OLE-Storage_Lite
> perl-Sys-SigAction
>
> Installed by MailScanner install:
>
> perl-bignum
> perl-Filesys-Df
> perl-IO
> perl-Math-BigInt
> perl-Math-BigRat
> perl-MIME-Base64
> perl-Net-CIDR
> perl-Sys-Hostname-Long
>
> Getting Geo::IP and Razor2 on may be a bit complicated, as they're not in epel
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
> Sent: 08 August 2014 10:32
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
> MailScanner - latest release plus updated updated TNEF.pm from Git (https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/29) and my phishing filter fix ( https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/30)
>
> This patchset might be useful too, but I don't know for sure: https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/commit/0b59afc1dde177150331248179d64d12820512c8 (uses IO::Pipe instead of IO)
>
> MailWatch - latest from Git (https://github.com/mailwatch/1.2.0)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
> Sent: 08 August 2014 09:39
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: Re: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> As you may remember (or not), I used to use Mandriva for my servers (up until the Mandriva/Mageia split), so this sounds ... easy and straightforward:-). No mixing in CPAN when all else fails;-).
>
>
> On 7 August 2014 22:08, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> OK, here?s a fuller list of what I did to get MailScanner running on
>> CentOS 7
>>
> (snip)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
> As said, this all seems quite straightforward, so ... I'll do that then:-). Which MW install did you use?
>
>>
>>
>> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
>> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of
>> Randal, Phil
>> Sent: 07 August 2014 16:22
>> To: MailScanner discussion
>> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>>
>>
>>
>> No,
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn?t try them.
>>
> Ok, some fun and games to look forward to then:-).
>
>>
> (snip)>
>>
>> Only gotcha I had was forgetting to ensure that /etc/hosts had a correct entry for the host in it.  They joys of cloning VMs and forgetting the little details.
>>
> Isn't it a bitch, progress:-):-). Do you use any prebuilt VM, or rolled your own?
>
>>
>>
>> Phil
> Cheers!
> --
> -- Glenn
> email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
> work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
> --
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
> Hoople Ltd, Registered in England and Wales No. 7556595 Registered office: Plough Lane, Hereford, HR4 0LE
>
> "Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Hoople Ltd. You should be aware that Hoople Ltd. monitors its email service. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it."
> --
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
> --
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
> --
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
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>
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-- 
-- Glenn
email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se

From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Fri Aug 22 15:55:53 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 14:55:53 +0000
Subject: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
In-Reply-To: <CAAug_B8Ai=SvSjmo_UWSbnzZRRSTnd5t3i-1Jr2dNJO_CzoqpQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAAug_B-a8gf-GfLw7nAb0WaCpSDZHtRPsVPuoCxfOEb8udZz_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB3C56D@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
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	<7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EB41B21@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>
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The official rpm - 4.84.6-1

Plus the two fixes from git which I mentioned earlier.

Phishing code fix and updated TNEF.pm

Cheers,

Phil


-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
Sent: 22 August 2014 14:07
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?

Just one more, slightly daft, question... Exactly what version/source did you use for MailScanner? The official website? Or the master branch on github? (yeah, git and i aren't ... friends... yet:-)

Cheers
--
-- Glenn


On 10 August 2014 17:02, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
> Oops,
>
> epel 7 does have perl-Razor-Agent.
>
> dcc can be installed manually from the dcc tarball
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
> Sent: 10 August 2014 15:27
> To: 'MailScanner discussion'
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
> Updated list, based on a default CentOS 7 install:
>
> General modules
> ===============
>
> open-vm-tools (if on VMware)
>
> deltarpm
> gcc-c++
> net-tools
> patch
> psmisc
> rpm-build
> wget
>
> epel-release (7 beta) from epel site
>
> Install spamassassin to get prerequisites, then rpm -e spamassassin (as we want 3.4.0, not 3.3.20
>
> PERL MODULES
> ============
>
> CentOS repo:
>
> perl-Archive-Zip
> perl-DBD-SQLite
> perl-DBI
> perl-Digest-SHA1
> perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder
> perl-Inline
> perl-IO-String
> perl-IO-stringy
> perl-Module-Build
> perl-Net-DNS-Nameserver
> perl-Net-DNS-Resolver
> perl-Parse-RecDescent
> perl-Test-Manifest
> perl-Test-Pod
> perl-Test-Simple
> perl-YAML
>
> epel repo:
>
> perl-Convert-BinHex
> perl-Convert-TNEF
> perl-Data-Dump
> perl-Digest-MD5-File
> perl-MIME-tools
> perl-Net-IP
> perl-OLE-Storage_Lite
> perl-Sys-SigAction
>
> Installed by MailScanner install:
>
> perl-bignum
> perl-Filesys-Df
> perl-IO
> perl-Math-BigInt
> perl-Math-BigRat
> perl-MIME-Base64
> perl-Net-CIDR
> perl-Sys-Hostname-Long
>
> Getting Geo::IP and Razor2 on may be a bit complicated, as they're not in epel
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil
> Sent: 08 August 2014 10:32
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
> MailScanner - latest release plus updated updated TNEF.pm from Git (https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/29) and my phishing filter fix ( https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/pull/30)
>
> This patchset might be useful too, but I don't know for sure: https://github.com/MailScanner/v4/commit/0b59afc1dde177150331248179d64d12820512c8 (uses IO::Pipe instead of IO)
>
> MailWatch - latest from Git (https://github.com/mailwatch/1.2.0)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Glenn Steen
> Sent: 08 August 2014 09:39
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: Re: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> As you may remember (or not), I used to use Mandriva for my servers (up until the Mandriva/Mageia split), so this sounds ... easy and straightforward:-). No mixing in CPAN when all else fails;-).
>
>
> On 7 August 2014 22:08, Randal, Phil <phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> OK, here?s a fuller list of what I did to get MailScanner running on
>> CentOS 7
>>
> (snip)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
> As said, this all seems quite straightforward, so ... I'll do that then:-). Which MW install did you use?
>
>>
>>
>> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
>> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of
>> Randal, Phil
>> Sent: 07 August 2014 16:22
>> To: MailScanner discussion
>> Subject: RE: Has anyone tried MailScanner on CentOS 7?
>>
>>
>>
>> No,
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn?t try them.
>>
> Ok, some fun and games to look forward to then:-).
>
>>
> (snip)>
>>
>> Only gotcha I had was forgetting to ensure that /etc/hosts had a correct entry for the host in it.  They joys of cloning VMs and forgetting the little details.
>>
> Isn't it a bitch, progress:-):-). Do you use any prebuilt VM, or rolled your own?
>
>>
>>
>> Phil
> Cheers!
> --
> -- Glenn
> email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
> work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
> --
> MailScanner mailing list
> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
> Hoople Ltd, Registered in England and Wales No. 7556595 Registered office: Plough Lane, Hereford, HR4 0LE
>
> "Any opinion expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Hoople Ltd. You should be aware that Hoople Ltd. monitors its email service. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of it."
> --
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
> --
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
> --
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> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>
> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!



-- 
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email: glenn < dot > steen < at > gmail < dot > com
work: glenn < dot > steen < at > ap1 < dot > se
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From nick.z.edwards at gmail.com  Sun Aug 24 05:07:10 2014
From: nick.z.edwards at gmail.com (Nick Edwards)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:07:10 +1000
Subject: MailScanner Website
In-Reply-To: <C1B9D930-773D-4419-9AF2-011E77E93381@mailborder.com>
References: <2078851626.146624.1407771278686.JavaMail.apache@nm53.abv.bg>
	<53E8E754.3030901@elirion.net>
	<C1B9D930-773D-4419-9AF2-011E77E93381@mailborder.com>
Message-ID: <CAMD-=VKkEUxrreVhxnYoeOdpK4hHf3016vcQdgFhiPspb2z-MA@mail.gmail.com>

Would it not be better to first fix the
http://phishing.mailborder.com/phishing.bad.sites.conf
file?

I find it a bit ridiculous that you list URI shortners, like t.co and
others (yet strangely not fb.me)
its for that reason we dont and wont as an ISP, use your list. other
mailscanner users in my group were also mystified why, and wont use it
now.

It's kind of like the old spews, list a /16 because of one or two
spammers, complete overkill

just sayin...


On 8/12/14, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com> wrote:
> Hristo,
>
> I would like to have content dynamically updated at some point. An example
> would be an optional Phishing updates, ScamNailer updates (after we fix it),
> etc. Also, versioning for content, a better wiki with better authoring
> control, etc. The debate has already gone back and forth over this mailing
> list regarding static vs CMS, so we don't need to rehash the same debate.
>
>
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
> On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Richard Siddall <richard.siddall at elirion.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hristo Benev wrote:
>>> Jerry,
>>>
>>>      Based on navbar-fixed-top
>>>
>>> I've created this
>>> http://hbcom.info/mailscanner/mailscanner_rapid_prototype_v1.png
>>>
>>> Is CMS really needed? How many pages are changed and how frequently?
>>> AFAIK most of the changes are in the wiki.
>>>
>>> Development and version control could be done via GIT (or other VCS).
>>>
>>
>> "Build A Blog With Jekyll And GitHub Pages"
>> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/08/01/build-blog-jekyll-github-pages/
>>
>> Might suit a developer better than installing WordPress and a
>> Bootstrap-based theme.
>>
>>
>>> Do you have any comments?
>>>
>>> Hristo
>>>
>>
>> 	Richard.
>>
>> --
>> MailScanner mailing list
>> mailscanner at lists.mailscanner.info
>> http://lists.mailscanner.info/mailman/listinfo/mailscanner
>>
>> Before posting, read http://wiki.mailscanner.info/posting
>>
>> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>

From jerry.benton at mailborder.com  Sun Aug 24 14:30:48 2014
From: jerry.benton at mailborder.com (Jerry Benton)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:30:48 -0400
Subject: MailScanner Website
In-Reply-To: <CAMD-=VKkEUxrreVhxnYoeOdpK4hHf3016vcQdgFhiPspb2z-MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2078851626.146624.1407771278686.JavaMail.apache@nm53.abv.bg>
	<53E8E754.3030901@elirion.net>
	<C1B9D930-773D-4419-9AF2-011E77E93381@mailborder.com>
	<CAMD-=VKkEUxrreVhxnYoeOdpK4hHf3016vcQdgFhiPspb2z-MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70CC6710-F480-4F68-BEDD-149A063DE2B3@mailborder.com>

Nick,

You have presented what you see as a problem, yet have not presented a solution. If you have a better way to do it, write it and send it to me or this list and I will be happy to implement it. If you think it is overkill to blacklist an entire domain, again, provide an alternate solution and if it makes sense and is sustainable I will be happy to implement it. 

The current build uses domains instead of URLs because the list from the current source at phishtank.com, which uses URLs, was somewhere around 30,000 items the last time I checked. That is way too big for a config file. Therefore, the current build script scrubs those and gets it under 1,000 items. This is done by evaluating all of the URLs and pulling the domains from them. This is not like blacklisting a /16 CIDR. There is (should be) a hell of a lot more control of what content gets posted on a domain?s website. If there is malicious content anywhere on a website, the whole thing should be blacklisted until they fix it. This isn?t mystifying. Google does the same thing with its search results. 


Requirements for a new solution:

- A source for the bad sites. www.phishtank.com is currently used. It is actively maintained. If you know of a better resource, feel free to let me know.
- A new cron to replace the current version. I am aware it is very basic and needs to be updated. What we need is either a cron that will read a custom section of phishing.bad.sites.conf or we can add an additional file called something like phishing.bad.sites.custom.conf that can be read and merged with phishing.bad.sites.conf during the build. 
- The same thing for phishing.safe.sites.conf
- A source for the safe sites if you think the current source is a bad one. 
- The same cron logic as stated above for the bad sites. 


So what would be the most helpful thing at the moment would be a cron that addresses the above issue regarding custom entries. It would need to evaluate your ?safe? entries and remove it from the dynamic ?bad? entries if present. It would then need to append the custom ?safe? entries to phishing.safe.sites.conf.


-
Jerry Benton
www.mailborder.com

On Aug 24, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Nick Edwards <nick.z.edwards at gmail.com> wrote:

> Would it not be better to first fix the
> http://phishing.mailborder.com/phishing.bad.sites.conf
> file?
> 
> I find it a bit ridiculous that you list URI shortners, like t.co and
> others (yet strangely not fb.me)
> its for that reason we dont and wont as an ISP, use your list. other
> mailscanner users in my group were also mystified why, and wont use it
> now.
> 
> It's kind of like the old spews, list a /16 because of one or two
> spammers, complete overkill
> 
> just sayin...
> 
> 
> On 8/12/14, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com> wrote:
>> Hristo,
>> 
>> I would like to have content dynamically updated at some point. An example
>> would be an optional Phishing updates, ScamNailer updates (after we fix it),
>> etc. Also, versioning for content, a better wiki with better authoring
>> control, etc. The debate has already gone back and forth over this mailing
>> list regarding static vs CMS, so we don't need to rehash the same debate.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Jerry Benton
>> www.mailborder.com
>> 
>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Richard Siddall <richard.siddall at elirion.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hristo Benev wrote:
>>>> Jerry,
>>>> 
>>>>     Based on navbar-fixed-top
>>>> 
>>>> I've created this
>>>> http://hbcom.info/mailscanner/mailscanner_rapid_prototype_v1.png
>>>> 
>>>> Is CMS really needed? How many pages are changed and how frequently?
>>>> AFAIK most of the changes are in the wiki.
>>>> 
>>>> Development and version control could be done via GIT (or other VCS).
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Build A Blog With Jekyll And GitHub Pages"
>>> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/08/01/build-blog-jekyll-github-pages/
>>> 
>>> Might suit a developer better than installing WordPress and a
>>> Bootstrap-based theme.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Do you have any comments?
>>>> 
>>>> Hristo
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 	Richard.
>>> 
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>>> 
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From mailscanner at joolee.nl  Mon Aug 25 12:20:58 2014
From: mailscanner at joolee.nl (Joolee)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:20:58 +0200
Subject: MailScanner Website
In-Reply-To: <70CC6710-F480-4F68-BEDD-149A063DE2B3@mailborder.com>
References: <2078851626.146624.1407771278686.JavaMail.apache@nm53.abv.bg>
	<53E8E754.3030901@elirion.net>
	<C1B9D930-773D-4419-9AF2-011E77E93381@mailborder.com>
	<CAMD-=VKkEUxrreVhxnYoeOdpK4hHf3016vcQdgFhiPspb2z-MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<70CC6710-F480-4F68-BEDD-149A063DE2B3@mailborder.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Q-w8UKfQ00EQEHpcBqVN=cA2zrgHB+E88CH+VyhvjvH8UYVw@mail.gmail.com>

If the data source is phishtank,the URL Blacklist service at
http://www.surbl.org/lists#ph also uses phishtank as one of the sources.


On 24 August 2014 15:30, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com> wrote:

> Nick,
>
> You have presented what you see as a problem, yet have not presented a
> solution. If you have a better way to do it, write it and send it to me or
> this list and I will be happy to implement it. If you think it is overkill
> to blacklist an entire domain, again, provide an alternate solution and if
> it makes sense and is sustainable I will be happy to implement it.
>
> The current build uses domains instead of URLs because the list from the
> current source at phishtank.com, which uses URLs, was somewhere around
> 30,000 items the last time I checked. That is way too big for a config
> file. Therefore, the current build script scrubs those and gets it under
> 1,000 items. This is done by evaluating all of the URLs and pulling the
> domains from them. This is not like blacklisting a /16 CIDR. There is
> (should be) a hell of a lot more control of what content gets posted on a
> domain?s website. If there is malicious content anywhere on a website, the
> whole thing should be blacklisted until they fix it. This isn?t mystifying.
> Google does the same thing with its search results.
>
>
> Requirements for a new solution:
>
> - A source for the bad sites. www.phishtank.com is currently used. It is
> actively maintained. If you know of a better resource, feel free to let me
> know.
> - A new cron to replace the current version. I am aware it is very basic
> and needs to be updated. What we need is either a cron that will read a
> custom section of phishing.bad.sites.conf or we can add an additional file
> called something like phishing.bad.sites.custom.conf that can be read and
> merged with phishing.bad.sites.conf during the build.
> - The same thing for phishing.safe.sites.conf
> - A source for the safe sites if you think the current source is a bad
> one.
> - The same cron logic as stated above for the bad sites.
>
>
> So what would be the most helpful thing at the moment would be a cron that
> addresses the above issue regarding custom entries. It would need to
> evaluate your ?safe? entries and remove it from the dynamic ?bad? entries
> if present. It would then need to append the custom ?safe? entries to
> phishing.safe.sites.conf.
>
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Nick Edwards <nick.z.edwards at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Would it not be better to first fix the
> http://phishing.mailborder.com/phishing.bad.sites.conf
> file?
>
> I find it a bit ridiculous that you list URI shortners, like t.co and
> others (yet strangely not fb.me)
> its for that reason we dont and wont as an ISP, use your list. other
> mailscanner users in my group were also mystified why, and wont use it
> now.
>
> It's kind of like the old spews, list a /16 because of one or two
> spammers, complete overkill
>
> just sayin...
>
>
> On 8/12/14, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com> wrote:
>
> Hristo,
>
> I would like to have content dynamically updated at some point. An example
> would be an optional Phishing updates, ScamNailer updates (after we fix
> it),
> etc. Also, versioning for content, a better wiki with better authoring
> control, etc. The debate has already gone back and forth over this mailing
> list regarding static vs CMS, so we don't need to rehash the same debate.
>
>
>
> -
> Jerry Benton
> www.mailborder.com
>
> On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Richard Siddall <richard.siddall at elirion.net
> >
> wrote:
>
> Hristo Benev wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
>     Based on navbar-fixed-top
>
> I've created this
> http://hbcom.info/mailscanner/mailscanner_rapid_prototype_v1.png
>
> Is CMS really needed? How many pages are changed and how frequently?
> AFAIK most of the changes are in the wiki.
>
> Development and version control could be done via GIT (or other VCS).
>
>
> "Build A Blog With Jekyll And GitHub Pages"
> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/08/01/build-blog-jekyll-github-pages/
>
> Might suit a developer better than installing WordPress and a
> Bootstrap-based theme.
>
>
> Do you have any comments?
>
> Hristo
>
>
> Richard.
>
> --
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>
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>
> Support MailScanner development - buy the book off the website!
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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From phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk  Tue Aug 26 08:59:30 2014
From: phil.randal at hoopleltd.co.uk (Randal, Phil)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:59:30 +0000
Subject: MailScanner Website
In-Reply-To: <70CC6710-F480-4F68-BEDD-149A063DE2B3@mailborder.com>
References: <2078851626.146624.1407771278686.JavaMail.apache@nm53.abv.bg>
	<53E8E754.3030901@elirion.net>
	<C1B9D930-773D-4419-9AF2-011E77E93381@mailborder.com>
	<CAMD-=VKkEUxrreVhxnYoeOdpK4hHf3016vcQdgFhiPspb2z-MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<70CC6710-F480-4F68-BEDD-149A063DE2B3@mailborder.com>
Message-ID: <7CA580B59C1ABD45B4614ED90D4C7B857EBA7F1A@HC-EXMBX04.herefordshire.gov.uk>

Short URLs are probably best handled by SpamAssassin plugins like Steve Freegard's DecodeShortURLs:

https://github.com/smfreegard/DecodeShortURLs

Cheers,

Phil


From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Jerry Benton
Sent: 24 August 2014 14:31
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Re: MailScanner Website

Nick,

You have presented what you see as a problem, yet have not presented a solution. If you have a better way to do it, write it and send it to me or this list and I will be happy to implement it. If you think it is overkill to blacklist an entire domain, again, provide an alternate solution and if it makes sense and is sustainable I will be happy to implement it.

The current build uses domains instead of URLs because the list from the current source at phishtank.com<http://phishtank.com>, which uses URLs, was somewhere around 30,000 items the last time I checked. That is way too big for a config file. Therefore, the current build script scrubs those and gets it under 1,000 items. This is done by evaluating all of the URLs and pulling the domains from them. This is not like blacklisting a /16 CIDR. There is (should be) a hell of a lot more control of what content gets posted on a domain's website. If there is malicious content anywhere on a website, the whole thing should be blacklisted until they fix it. This isn't mystifying. Google does the same thing with its search results.


Requirements for a new solution:

- A source for the bad sites. www.phishtank.com<http://www.phishtank.com> is currently used. It is actively maintained. If you know of a better resource, feel free to let me know.
- A new cron to replace the current version. I am aware it is very basic and needs to be updated. What we need is either a cron that will read a custom section of phishing.bad.sites.conf or we can add an additional file called something like phishing.bad.sites.custom.conf that can be read and merged with phishing.bad.sites.conf during the build.
- The same thing for phishing.safe.sites.conf
- A source for the safe sites if you think the current source is a bad one.
- The same cron logic as stated above for the bad sites.


So what would be the most helpful thing at the moment would be a cron that addresses the above issue regarding custom entries. It would need to evaluate your "safe" entries and remove it from the dynamic "bad" entries if present. It would then need to append the custom "safe" entries to phishing.safe.sites.conf.


-
Jerry Benton
www.mailborder.com<http://www.mailborder.com>

On Aug 24, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Nick Edwards <nick.z.edwards at gmail.com<mailto:nick.z.edwards at gmail.com>> wrote:


Would it not be better to first fix the
http://phishing.mailborder.com/phishing.bad.sites.conf
file?

I find it a bit ridiculous that you list URI shortners, like t.co and
others (yet strangely not fb.me)
its for that reason we dont and wont as an ISP, use your list. other
mailscanner users in my group were also mystified why, and wont use it
now.

It's kind of like the old spews, list a /16 because of one or two
spammers, complete overkill

just sayin...


On 8/12/14, Jerry Benton <jerry.benton at mailborder.com<mailto:jerry.benton at mailborder.com>> wrote:

Hristo,

I would like to have content dynamically updated at some point. An example
would be an optional Phishing updates, ScamNailer updates (after we fix it),
etc. Also, versioning for content, a better wiki with better authoring
control, etc. The debate has already gone back and forth over this mailing
list regarding static vs CMS, so we don't need to rehash the same debate.



-
Jerry Benton
www.mailborder.com<http://www.mailborder.com>

On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Richard Siddall <richard.siddall at elirion.net<mailto:richard.siddall at elirion.net>>
wrote:


Hristo Benev wrote:

Jerry,

    Based on navbar-fixed-top

I've created this
http://hbcom.info/mailscanner/mailscanner_rapid_prototype_v1.png

Is CMS really needed? How many pages are changed and how frequently?
AFAIK most of the changes are in the wiki.

Development and version control could be done via GIT (or other VCS).

"Build A Blog With Jekyll And GitHub Pages"
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/08/01/build-blog-jekyll-github-pages/

Might suit a developer better than installing WordPress and a
Bootstrap-based theme.



Do you have any comments?

Hristo

            Richard.

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From paul at welshfamily.com  Tue Aug 26 21:57:26 2014
From: paul at welshfamily.com (Paul Welsh)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:57:26 +0100
Subject: Clamd error messages since last week
Message-ID: <CAA510g5UYw=gBj-xqud_gwhfe_Q5hMGKW7FFXprHVXYOfrjnCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Running MailScanner 4.84.5 on CentOS 6.5 with ClamAV 0.98.3/19312/Tue Aug
26 15:54:25 2014.

Starting Aug 22 15:30 I started getting these type of messages in maillog:
MailScanner[6035]: Clamd::ERROR:: COULD NOT CONNECT TO CLAMD, RECOMMEND
RESTARTING DAEMON :: .

Seeing this kind of thing in maillog:
Aug 26 18:59:18 mail MailScanner[16465]: New Batch: Scanning 1 messages,
15192 bytes
Aug 26 18:59:19 mail MailScanner[16465]: Virus and Content Scanning:
Starting
Aug 26 18:59:19 mail MailScanner[16465]: Clamd::ERROR:: COULD NOT CONNECT
TO CLAMD, RECOMMEND RESTARTING DAEMON :: .
Aug 26 18:59:19 mail MailScanner[16465]: Virus Scanning: Clamd found 1
infections
Aug 26 18:59:20 mail MailScanner[16465]: Virus Scanning: Found 1 viruses
Aug 26 18:59:20 mail MailScanner[16465]: Spam Checks: Starting

The "found 1 infections" is a false alarm.

Not happening all the time but when the server is busier, eg, few or no
errors over the weekend.

I'm checking the maillog hourly and restarting it with:
/etc/init.d/clamd start

Anyone else come across this problem?

Some settings from clamd.conf:
LocalSocket /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock
FixStaleSocket yes
TCPSocket 3310
MaxThreads 50

Likewise from MailScanner.conf:
Clamd Port = 3310
Clamd Socket = /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock
Clamd Lock File = # /var/lock/subsys/clamd
Clamd Use Threads = yes

Might the Use Threads setting be worth changing?
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From rcooper at dwford.com  Tue Aug 26 23:13:24 2014
From: rcooper at dwford.com (Rick Cooper)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:13:24 -0400
Subject: Clamd error messages since last week
In-Reply-To: <CAA510g5UYw=gBj-xqud_gwhfe_Q5hMGKW7FFXprHVXYOfrjnCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA510g5UYw=gBj-xqud_gwhfe_Q5hMGKW7FFXprHVXYOfrjnCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F3797945CB541DCBC283C0F4488539C@SAHOMELT>

If the clamd daemon is local to the mailscanner machine I would recommend
switching to a unix socket instead of tcp. Set it in your clamd.conf and
then mirror the path and filename in the MailScanner.config such as
Clamd Socket = /tmp/clamd
 
Also I attached a small perl script that will check clamd and make sure it's
both up and running and capable of responding (the PING/PONG)
anything you can use to monitor program result codes can use this as it
returns 0 for OK and 1 for any issues, you can also have it log to mail|info
if you want to use a log file analizer and just call it from cron ever min
or so, there is very, very little overhead
 
Rick Cooper

  _____  

From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
[mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Paul Welsh
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:57 PM
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Clamd error messages since last week


Running MailScanner 4.84.5 on CentOS 6.5 with ClamAV 0.98.3/19312/Tue Aug 26
15:54:25 2014.

Starting Aug 22 15:30 I started getting these type of messages in maillog:
MailScanner[6035]: Clamd::ERROR:: COULD NOT CONNECT TO CLAMD, RECOMMEND
RESTARTING DAEMON :: .


Seeing this kind of thing in maillog:
Aug 26 18:59:18 mail MailScanner[16465]: New Batch: Scanning 1 messages,
15192 bytes
Aug 26 18:59:19 mail MailScanner[16465]: Virus and Content Scanning:
Starting
Aug 26 18:59:19 mail MailScanner[16465]: Clamd::ERROR:: COULD NOT CONNECT TO
CLAMD, RECOMMEND RESTARTING DAEMON :: .
Aug 26 18:59:19 mail MailScanner[16465]: Virus Scanning: Clamd found 1
infections
Aug 26 18:59:20 mail MailScanner[16465]: Virus Scanning: Found 1 viruses
Aug 26 18:59:20 mail MailScanner[16465]: Spam Checks: Starting

The "found 1 infections" is a false alarm.

Not happening all the time but when the server is busier, eg, few or no
errors over the weekend.

I'm checking the maillog hourly and restarting it with:
/etc/init.d/clamd start


Anyone else come across this problem?

Some settings from clamd.conf:
LocalSocket /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock
FixStaleSocket yes
TCPSocket 3310
MaxThreads 50

Likewise from MailScanner.conf:
Clamd Port = 3310
Clamd Socket = /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock
Clamd Lock File = # /var/lock/subsys/clamd
Clamd Use Threads = yes

Might the Use Threads setting be worth changing?



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From paul at welshfamily.com  Wed Aug 27 01:01:40 2014
From: paul at welshfamily.com (Paul Welsh)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:01:40 +0100
Subject: Clamd error messages since last week
Message-ID: <CAA510g6ByxBFqUqdXQK+AL2KhWqs_yS-mpXBTynBhyWw+JjUHA@mail.gmail.com>

One update.  Installed ClamAV 0.98.4 so will see if that changes anything...
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From levnagdimunov0 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 28 07:32:14 2014
From: levnagdimunov0 at hotmail.com (Lev Nagdimunov)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 02:32:14 -0400
Subject: Mailscanner changes line-length in base64 encoded email
In-Reply-To: <BLU180-W4A53B6C236774479550AF8ADA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU180-W4A53B6C236774479550AF8ADA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU180-W86C5EEFF2CB41305FF624A8ADA0@phx.gbl>

Hello,

I've noticed that Mailscanner will change the length of 
encoded (at least base64 encoded) email on anything greater than 60 
characters down to 60 characters in the spool file (-D). For any DKIM signed email, this will break the body hash. Normally it's not a problem since it's already been processed by the MTA at that point, but if you do a blind forward afterward then it is a problem. 

MTA: Exim version 4.82 #2

Thank you. 		 	   		  
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From paul at welshfamily.com  Fri Aug 29 19:13:31 2014
From: paul at welshfamily.com (Paul Welsh)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 19:13:31 +0100
Subject: Clamd error messages since last week
Message-ID: <CAA510g5RnVO=-Jzm6ak53+nq+sORPgaORCgwBap-D9Zur4hnBw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> If the clamd daemon is local to the mailscanner machine I would recommend
> switching to a unix socket instead of tcp. Set it in your clamd.conf and
> then mirror the path and filename in the MailScanner.config such as
> Clamd Socket = /tmp/clamd
>
> Also I attached a small perl script that will check clamd and make sure
> it's both up and running and capable of responding (the PING/PONG)
> anything you can use to monitor program result codes can use this as it
> returns 0 for OK and 1 for any issues, you can also have it log to
> mail|info if you want to use a log file analizer and just call it from cron
> ever min or so, there is very, very little overhead
>
> Rick Cooper
>
>
Thanks for responding, Rick.  Seems to be setup that way already though:

# grep 'Clamd Socket' /etc/MailScanner/MailScanner.conf
Clamd Socket = /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock

# grep LocalSocket /etc/clamd.conf
LocalSocket /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock

Suppose a reboot is the next step.  Upgrading to ClamAV 0.98.4 made no
difference.
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