Improvements to ?

Michael H. Warfield mhw at
Sun Sep 28 18:07:27 IST 2008

On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 17:37 +0100, Martin.Hepworth wrote:
> Ok i'll be first to bite:-)

> Running servers on fedora is considered "a bad idea" (tm), your problem below being one of the reasons.

	You don't have much choice if you want advanced features like md5sums
on BGP peering and the like (I peer both IPv4 and IPv6 on BGP and have
contributed patches to the quagga project).  Ever try a live upgrade of
a CentOS system or RHEL from 4.x to 5.x?  I wouldn't consider them in
this environment simply because they are that much worse.

> -- 
> martin


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael H. Warfield <mhw at>
> Sent: 28 September 2008 16:50
> To: MailScanner discussion <mailscanner at>
> Cc: mhw at
> Subject: Re: Improvements to ?
> Hey Juian!
> 	Wow...  Serendipity or what.  I was just in the middle of a yum upgrade
> of some Fedora 8 systems to Fedora 9 and ran smack into a bloody
> nightmare with MailScanner.  The problem here is that Fedora 8 had perl
> 5.8 and had all the modules installed for that.  Fedora 9 has perl 5.10.
> The yum upgrade (which was also nightmarish due to the signing key
> rollover and a dependency hell on openssl and openldap) upgraded all the
> base perl stuff but not the MailScanner stuff.  Trying to reinstall
> MailScanner seems to work but then it doesn't run, complaining about
> Hostname/ not existing amongst others (fix one and there's more).
> The problem is, the rpm is installed but for the wrong version of perl
> and wasn't upgraded and the install doesn't install it because it thinks
> it's already there, even though the .pm module is in the wrong version
> directory.  I had to manually build and install the bad modules until
> MailScanner would restart.
> 	I strongly suspect that this would be the case even if I did not use a
> live yum upgrade but used an anaconda install (CD or preupgrade) as
> well.
> 	My suggestion for would be a sanity check to insure the
> correct rpm's are there for that distribution or a "reinstall" option
> that will reinstall the rpm's even if the exact same rpm is already
> present.  Yeah, this is a corner case that rarely comes up but it's an
> UGLY corner case, in this case.
> 	Mike
> On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 19:52 +0100, Julian Field wrote:
> > Hi folks!
> > 
> > I haven't done anything to the installer in quite a long time.
> > Are there any improvements people would like to see, particularly in the 
> > RPM installer as that's by far the most common distribution, and is used 
> > by the least tech-savvy people who need the most guidance.
> > 
> > Today I have done some work on both the README and the QuickInstall.txt 
> > files, to bring the up to date and to simplify them.
> > 
> > Also I have documented the "./ fast" option, so people who 
> > read the docs know it exists, as it greatly speeds things up if you know 
> > what you're doing and don't need to read all the output.
> > 
> > But what would people like to see improved in the actual installation 
> > script,
> > 
> > Jules
> > 
> > -- 
> > Julian Field MEng CITP CEng
> >
> > Buy the MailScanner book at
> > 
> > MailScanner customisation, or any advanced system administration help?
> > Contact me at Jules at Jules.FM
> > 
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> > 
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