wiki still suggesting ordb

Scott Silva ssilva at
Tue Apr 1 00:41:00 IST 2008

on 3-31-2008 1:31 PM Laramie Combs spake the following:
> Julian Field wrote:
>> Scott Silva wrote:
>>> on 3-31-2008 6:10 AM Julian Field spake the following:
>>>> Thanks for that. Fixed the problem now. Hopefully other people can 
>>>> edit the page too.
>>>> shuttlebox wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Julian Field
>>>>> <MailScanner at> wrote:
>>>>>>  I've fixed the perms as much as I can (currently everything is world
>>>>>>  writable) and it still complains.
>>>>>>  Damn wikis :-(
>>>>> I found this:
>>>>> Maybe its of some help.
>>>> Jules
>>> Looks to be working now, but the edit now points to a soon to be 
>>> obsolete since spamhaus recommends to use zen instead of sbl+xbl.
>> Didn't know that one. Fixed.
>> I've changed the default shipped MailScanner.conf file so it uses 
>> spamhaus-ZEN by default.
>> That should be okay for a new installation shouldn't it?
>> I'll add a note saying that they shouldn't use spamhaus lists unless 
>> they are a low-volume site or they have paid for a direct feed.
>> Does that sound okay?
>> Jules
> My 2 cents worth says that I don't like zen because it includes the PBL, 
> which has gotten us into hot water in the past.  There is a discalimer 
> on their site that says
> "Caution: Because the PBL lists normal customer IP space, do not use PBL 
> on smarthosts or SMTP AUTH outbound servers for your own customers (or 
> you risk blocking your own customers if their dynamic IPs are in the 
> PBL). Do not use PBL in filters that do any ‘deep parsing’ of Received 
> headers, or for other than checking IP addresses that hand off to your 
> mailservers."
> This was the case for us, as these same boxes do in and outbound 
> traffic, and caused us to start marking our own mail.  Dropping back to 
> sbl-xbl fixed it for us.
> -Laramie
I dug through the spamhaus website and now I can't find any mention of 
dropping the sbl+xbl lookups. Maybe they had a change of heart, or clients 
have complained because they want to avoid the PBL lookups.
  I have to admit I haven't looked there since late november.
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