New Server Specs?

[Paul Hutchings]

Appreciate the detailed reply Greg.

For various reasons (non technical) it looks like Sun are off the menu
so we're back to HP.

At present I'm looking at 2 boxes.  The DL320 G5 and the DL140 G3.

Both work out at identical prices.

The difference being the DL320 would have a 3050 Xeon and 1gb of RAM and
the DL140 would have a 5110 Xeon and 2gb of RAM.

I'm leaning towards the DL140 simply because it has more RAM for the
money, and I believe it's more of a "proper" server i.e. server
optimized chip/chipset (and has a second CPU socket) whilst the DL320
appears to almost be a desktop CPU put into a rackmount?

Disk wise I think a pair of 80gb SATA's should be sufficient.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
[mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Greg
Matthews
Sent: 04 April 2007 14:10
To: MailScanner discussion
Subject: Re: New Server Specs?

Paul Hutchings wrote:
> Thanks all.
> 
> I'm not desparate to do this on the cheap, but obviously I don't want
to
> be asking for company money for something that is massive, massive
> overkill even allowing for future growth/changes etc.
> 
> Currently I'm running on an old Poweredge with a single 2.4ghz Xeon
CPU
> (single core with hyperthreading) with 1gb of RAM and a single 80gb
ATA
> drive (we want something that will be under warranty)
> 
> I'm running Spamassassin on incoming mail and ClamAV on all mail with
no
> OCR checks though this may be something I'll do in the future via
> FuzzyOCR.
> 
> I'm no expert on Linux benchmarking but uptime shows "load average:
> 1.23, 1.43, 1.20".

looks like you are not stretching this box too much. With hyperthreading

turned on, a load average of 2 would be a good indication that the 
processor was never twiddling its metaphorical thumbs. That said, 
network services are notoriously "bursty" so you need to plan for times 
of high load.

Consider software raid over hardware raid as it can often be faster and 
provided you take backups, your raid config is archived for disaster 
recovery. Also nice to have a good size disk area so that both spam and 
ham can be stored in the short term for learning/reporting. Useful too 
if you are relaying for other sites/domains and need to queue up mail 
when their servers are down. Of course, mail doesnt actually take up 
much space so you dont need a huge array of disks. We have about 5000 
active mailboxes and I'd be happy with a 50GB mirror for short term 
archive/quarantine but I'd probably over-spec by a factor of two.

As mentioned previously, buy lots of memory. A dual processor box will 
happily chew up 3-4GB of ram. Dual/quad core is /probably/ ok given that

your processes are likely to be IO bound which should make up for memory

controller latencies. Why not ask Sun for a loan of a T1000 machine with

8 cores and 32 threads? I think they are still doing a no-obligation 
"try and buy" scheme for these. The list would probably be v. interested

in your results.

> 
> I was looking at HP originally and then I looked at Sun and noticed
> their X2100 appear to be very good VFM (and are SLES approved which
> suggests I should be able to install OpenSuse "out the box").
> 

judging by your existing spec and LA, an X2100 will probably be fine, 
I'd be tempted to up the spec to a dual processor X2200 to really 
future-proof yourself. Again, Sun will lend you one for 60 days if you 
want to try it.

GREG

> Paul Hutchings
> Network Administrator, MIRA Ltd.
> Tel: 44 (0)24 7635 5378, Fax: 44 (0)24 7635 8378
> mailto:paul.hutchings at mira.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info
> [mailto:mailscanner-bounces at lists.mailscanner.info] On Behalf Of Steve
> Freegard
> Sent: 04 April 2007 11:44
> To: MailScanner discussion
> Subject: Re: New Server Specs?
> 
> Paul Hutchings wrote:
>> My question is, broadly speaking which would be best to have more of,

>> CPU, ram, or disk subsystem?
>> I'm looking at the cheapest HP/Sun/Dell servers which tend to be SATA

>> disks and slower dual-core CPUs but with plenty of memory slots.
> 
> As Martin mentioned - memory is one key piece, you need to have 1Gb
per 
> CPU core, then set Max Children to 5 * CPU Cores for optimum 
> performance.  Any form of swapping/paging will quickly kill
performance 
> of MailScanner/SpamAssassin.
> 
> I also always recommend buying a *decent* RAID controller with 
> battery-backed write-back cache as fast disk access is a requirement
to 
> cope with busy periods and future growth and.
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve.


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