Are ALL hotmail address blacklisted ? {Scanned by HJMS}

[Furnish, Trever G]

Well trial and error debugging is always one possibility - try taking out
your blacklist entirely (and reloading MS) to see if it makes a difference.
If it doesn't, then you know the blacklist is a red herring.

If it does make a difference (which you can apparently test just by
delivering a message "from hotmail" to yourself), then cut your blacklist in
half and test with each half separately.  If you find that neither half
causes the problem but the list as a whole does, then you've probably bumped
into a MS bug.

If you find that one half causes the problem but not the other half, then
keep cutting things down till you find the offending line.

With the size of your file, that'll be painful but you ought to be able to
script up parts of it to make it go faster...

-t.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denis Croombs [mailto:denis at CROOMBS.ORG]
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 1:18 AM
> To: MAILSCANNER at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: Are ALL hotmail address blacklisted ? {Scanned by HJMS}
>
>
> Thanks for that, no xxxxx at hotmail.com is not the real address
> & I have tried
> searching the blacklist for the address & parts of the
> address, but this is
> just an example, this now happens on EVERY hotmail account so
> I have to
> check all the spam for hotmail e-mails every hour to find
> these and then
> whitelist the good ones, I just do not know what to check next.
> I have even got a new hotmail account for testing & yes even that gets
> blacklisted.
>
> All clues very welcome
>
> Denis
>
> > Is 'xxxxxx at hotmail.com' the real email address from your
> log or did you
> edit
> > out the real email address?  If you edited it out, how can
> anyone compare
> it
> > to your blacklist?
> >
> > I'm assuming you've already searched for the real email
> address in your
> > blacklist file...?
> >
> > Also, in the blacklist file you attached, you don't seem to
> have a default
> > specified.
> >
> > The code that converts the second field of white/blacklist
> rules into a
> > useful pattern seems to be the RuleToRegexp function within
> Config.pm.  It
> > would be nice if there were a quick way to test a given
> string to see
> > whether it matches any lines of a given white/blacklist,
> but that's more
> > complicated than I thought it would be at first.  Just
> glancing through
> > though, I don't notice anything that would match
> xxxxxx at hotmail.com, if
> > that's the real address.
> >
> > -t.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Denis Croombs [mailto:denis at CROOMBS.ORG]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:30 PM
> > > To: MAILSCANNER at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> > > Subject: Re: Are ALL hotmail address blacklisted ?
> {Scanned by HJMS}
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > MailScanner V4.23-11
> > >
> > > Is Definitely Spam = /etc/MailScanner/rules/blacklist.rules
> > >
> > > blacklist file is attached
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> > > > And in MailScanner.conf, what have you set "Is
> Definitely Spam" to?
> > > >
> > > > # Spam Blacklist:
> > > > # Make this point to a ruleset, and anything in that
> > > ruleset whose value
> > > > # is "yes" will *always* be marked as spam.
> > > > # This can also be the filename of a ruleset.
> > > > Is Definitely Spam = no
> > > >
> > > > You also haven't mentioned what version of mailscanner
> > > you're using, what
> > > > "your blacklist" contains, etc.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Denis Croombs [mailto:denis at CROOMBS.ORG]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 2:27 PM
> > > > > To: MAILSCANNER at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> > > > > Subject: Re: Are ALL hotmail address blacklisted ?
> > > {Scanned by HJMS}
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks here is an example;-
> > > > >
> > > > > Sep 12 19:58:15 ns MailScanner[20714]: Message h8CIwDR03176
> > > > > from 64.4.23.57
> > > > > (xxxxxx at hotmail.com) to croombs.org is spam (blac
> > > > > klisted)
> > > > >
> > > > > Denis
> > > > > > Posting the actual log entries in question would be
> helpful...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have already done that, which is why I asked
> the question,
> > > > > > > but it states
> > > > > > > it is blacklisted both in the e-mail header & the
> maillog but
> > > > > > > I have not
> > > > > > > blacklisted any hotmail.com accounts !
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Are ALL hotmail address blacklisted ?
> > > > > > > > > Because so far I have had to go through and
> add a lot of
> > > > > > > valid hotmail
> > > > > > > > > accounts to my whitelist as they are being tagged as
> > > > > > > blacklisted but are
> > > > > > > NOT
> > > > > > > > > in my mailscanner blacklist and I do not use the
> > > spamassassin
> > > > > > > > > blacklist/whitelist.
> > > > > > > > > RedHat 7.3, MS 4.22-11 SA 2.55
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why dont you look in your logs ? Its tells exactly
> > > why and what.
> > > > > > > > Turn details on spam logging on ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bye,
> > > > > > > > Raymond.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>